Last time I checked what business can be started for $399. I have owned several businesses and none ever cost me less than 7 figures. The fact is it is hard work and you have to WORK to be successful but the rewards can be life altering. Just ask the thousands of excel mlm alumni who made millions of dollars with Excel.

This has not been the case for me. I started this eight months ago an its making my house payment and thensome…..i say just try it, if your not happy in 6 months quit…. put 400 in the the stock market and what it turn into a whopping 410 in six months if your lucky…my bet is the skeptic that wrote this couldint scrape together 400 due to years of hard work learing how to be a skeptic investor….

maxcom, just ask those thousands of Excel millionares who are now selling vitamins? LOL Excel sold their marketers to a vitamin company. Sounds like a legit company to me!

Sean,

The truth is, my parents worked Excel for nearly 10 years, far exceeded everyone in the metropolitan area in downline, etc and didn’t make jack squat. I watched my parents sell their business, work 80 hours a week, pretend to be successful (all mlm’ers are pressured to pretend they are making big bucks in order to atract more to their organiation) but never actualy earn the income that these scam organizations print is possible in their material. The truth is, very very few people every make any money, many people lie about making money and almost everyone that did make money has lost it within a couple years. I know from personal experience.

I just enrolled in Ambit. I trust 100% the people who presented this business opportunity to me. I believe the potentiality is real, in fact, it is already happening to a number of people in New York. There is not room for failure.

mrjag77 is nuts…. i’ve been with this company since its inception…it a a brand new company…never in bussiness under a different name…

We are an electricity company that pays more residual to the Sales Representative for their personal customers than Ambit or Ignite. We only cost $99.95 to join. Ambit pays .50cents monthly residual for a personal(residential) customer that uses 2000 kwh of electricity in the Texas market. In New York its worst… they only pay .10 cents per month residual for that same customer. Its a rip off!!! We will pay $6.00 per month for that same personal customer, giving the Sales Representative a larger residual. Ignite also pays only .50 cents per month residual for a personal (residential)customer. Ambit does not allow its Sales Representatives to sign up Commercial customers. We offer service for commercial and residential customers. We are currently doing business in Texas and we will be in New York the first quarter of 2008. Our normal start up fee of $99.95 is reduced for a limited time to just $49.95. Contact me if you are serious…. I am one of the founders.

Sign up with Affordable Energy

Ambits compensation plan is by far the best i have ever seen.This is the easiest business there is. We are not selling a product. We are not asking people to spend money every month, but to save money..It is something every one uses every single day. We now have Natural Gas. We get paid to unlimited depth. We are not capped on what we can make. We have 3 ways to get paid. PS we have a Gaurantee in writing that we will save you money on your electric and gas bill over a 12 month period or we will give you a check for the difference. No you has that in writing..This is a no brainer….

There are two kinds of people in this world:

The succesful……

And the people who criticize them.

Scam this, scam that. The biggest scam in the world is your complete distrust in trying something new out. If you’re too scared, walk away.

Anyone who is serious can take this model and make a lot of money. This market is so huge, the idea of one company saturating is in absolutely inconceivable. We will pretty much rely on energy for a very long time.

I will just never understand people who are so weak, and so bored that they need to waste their own time opening up their irresponsible big mouths on something they have no idea about.

The guy you really need to question is the person running this thread, what are his intentions? TO knock his competition?

Wow, now that’s low.

Anyone interested in the Ambit Opportunity, I would be glad to answer your questions about it, I’m a rep and I have done my due diligence, and I am very knowledgable about the whole process of starting you up.

Let’s talk.

There’s always going to be controversy. The succesful laugh at it all the way to the bank.

And to the people who have such a disdain for network marketing, please just move on with your life, and stop damaging good people with your stupid comments. Take some responsibility. Before you totally badmouth someone with a greeat reputation, you may want to do your due diligence.

Have you worked the Ambit opportunity?

If not, you’re just stupid to even say anything.

Man, what an unbelievably great world we could have if all these negative creeps just stayed home all day and shut up!

Graz Perrelli

Graz,

I believe Ambit and Ignite can be an opportunity for some but if you don’t see a serious income in the first year from all your efforts I recommend jumping ship before wasteing anymore time or you will find yourself making money for those above you and not for yourself.

Some of your confrontational comments sound like the typical hype coming from an MLM company representative taking on that religous cult like behavior. I would recommend for anyone considering joining Ambit to keep the company seperate from your personal life and don’t believe all the hype. Filter out the sensational and give it a shot for a month or two if you must but be warned it’s not even close to the best way to make a living for yourself.

By the way, I thought EXCEL created over 2000 millionaires? Also, last time I checked they were far from Bankrupt… I understand they sold out to Shaklee Corporation and Shaklee dismembered the marketing arm.
I don’t know anyone who can HONESTLY say they worked EXCEL 80 hours a week and didn’t make anything… I mean really thats a little far fetched wouldn’t you say?
I have a good friend who worked EXCEL part time. The last year he was with EXCEL he made $36000. I would say that’s a respectable amount of money for a part timer…
Anyway, didn’t mean to get off Topic.

Admin seems to be the only rational one here. Anyone joining an mlm should understand that people already “in the biz” feel pressured to talk about all the big money makers. It’s far from the norm.

I didn’t mean that working 80 hours a week earned them no money, but not what a college educated succesful businessman should earn working 80 hours a week. $36,000/year is 1/3 of what someone that works that hard with that background should be making.

MLM’s will earn you a fraction of what the same work will earn you in a legitimate business opportunity, of which there are thousands.

Example, a poster above mentioned Affordable energy pays $6/customer/month. Ambit Energy apparently pays $0.50/customer/month. Do you realize that direct marketing companies that are selling non MLM power to residential customers make $25-$100/year in commissions? Oh, and guess what, they don’t CHARGE their salespeople to join up. If you’re charging people an entry fee to sell your product, something’s wrong. Comon, be rational people.

Did you know that Ignite filed a lawsuit against Ambit? Ignite started their business in March of 2005..Ambit in Nov of 2006. What most people don’t realize is that the people at the top of both of these companies were from Excel so they know each other! Ambit used almost verbatim the same compensation plan as Stream Energy. So Ignite sued and won. When the top leaders in Ambit asked Ignite to join their team, they were denied because of past histories with these people that was not favorable!

So Ambit decided to form their own company with the exact same compensation plan as Ignite! It was really disgusting the slimy way that Ambit has been using Ignite to start their own company including the states that Ignite announced that they were going into in the future! I don’t have much respect for the leaders of Ambit as well as their “aggressive” way of moving into a market long before they have officially received a marketing certification by that state! These tactics will only backfire in the long run and I feel sorry for the representatives that have bought into the business without fully knowing the history of this company!

To all you skeptics out there, I’ve been in a Network market company for 14 years and have made a six figure income for 5 of those 14 years. It’s hard work, just like anything else. The only question I ask when I get involved with a business, can I make money if I don’t recruit, and If I do recruit how quickly can a get to a six figure income. This allows me to recruit the salesmen and the entrepreneurs.

Even though I’m not in Ambit, one thing seemed very clear, if we ever go into a depression, there are two things people always pay for: their utility bill and their booze. I’m not interested in being a bartender, so being in the utility business makes too much sense.

Most negative comments come out of fear. No human being has ever made it financially without failing at least once. Like someone said, give it a year and if you find you don’t like it go do something else.

Ahh before I forget, the differnce between a legit business and a scam…..did the commission check cash!!

Take care!

All you guys are full of it. It is just like anything else. Those trailblazers that are present at the inception of a company whether it be an MLM or a Fortune 500 will make the most income. After that, you factor in all the levels of permutations and a few crumbs trickle down to the hardworkers. Take it from me I have involved myself in several MLM’s and if you don’t get in early and are not working 50 to 60 hours a week on this, you are chasing a dream. MLM’s like Ambit talk a good game and give very convincing seminars and training sessions but remember, most of the pie is already gone. It gets progressively harder as time goes by. I am almost tempted to say these seminars and training sessions present themselves as a type of cult following. Don’t kid yourself. Don’t you think that those stock market clowns that write or publish how to get rich at the stock market and what stocks to buy books are letting you in on a secret for $19.99? The secret is already out and everybody knows about it. This reminds me so much of the gold rush days where many people were just chaing dreams. You think I am an idiot but I have invested and foloowed MLM’s for many years as an MBA grad who happens to make six figures the old fashoioned way.

how difficult is it to start an mlm doing the same thing that ambit does? anyone with real knowledge please respond otherwise i think there are enough bullshit opinions on the site already.

glad to see comments on the site are taken off when the admin doesnt like them guess all this is bs in he long run anyway-

here’s the secret to success work hard and learn to invest in the stock market buy long when you should and get short when you should. dont count on other people to do it for you learn it and do it yourself and you’ll be happier and make money the good old fashioned way, by gambling

I would just like to say that, I too, am a young entrepreneur. At age 22, I feel that I have been very blessed, and fortunate in pursuing my journey as a venture capitalist!

I would like to share one piece of valuable advice to anyone willing to take it for what it is worth. Half of success comes from a strong network of mentors. Build your network to it’s fullest potential, and never be satisfied with it. Along the way you can achieve unbelievable success in any industry by finding others interested in pursuing your ventures.

As my friend Ken Hendricks used to say, “Dare to Dream”.

If you believe in something than do it. Don’t talk about it. Instead, provide people with actions!

Instead of saying that you want to do something, say that you will do something. Then do it!

Don’t use the word “but” in a sentence, because it then sounds like a negative statement. Instead replace it with the word “and”, and turn it into a positive statement!

I find myself to be a student in the corporate world. I personally joined Ambit for fun, and to compete with a cocky old man who thinks he is in the big time. I don’t need the money. I just enjoy playing with different business models by incorporating my own experience, and techniques.

Just remember that with experience comes greater knowledge , and success!!!

I recently attended one of the Ambit promotions. Whether you think MLM is a good or bad way of selling products the question is whether or not Ambit is selling a good product. If you are giving your customers a real benefit, you have a good product to sell and should be able to make money without ruining your reputation. I would hate to get my family and friends to buy energy from Ambit only to find out they were ripped off.

A traditional business has marketing costs that are inevitably passed on to consumers. The MLM is a way of marketing that spreads the cost among many marketers. Its true the people at the top make most of the money. So what? If you are providing a good product at favorable terms you are giving those family and friends a benefit.

My question to those Ambit reps out there is, Are the customers getting a better price on their energy than they could get elsewhere? How good is the guaranty? Do those travel points have any real value?

Its true that when a real estate broker hires many sales reps only a samll percent make any real money. But if that sales rep brings in one family member, both the sales rep and broker made some money they wouldn’t normally have made. If someone joins Ambit and brings in only a few customers, that person makes some money and so does Ambit. Anyone who thinks you don’t have to work very hard to make money in sales should stay away. But should they become a customer of Ambit?

I am a recently sold mlm wannabe with Ambit in Illinois. I’ve spent one night just mentioning the ability to save money on natural gas and help other save money also. The feedback was incredible. I want to know when is Illinois going to have the gas available so I can sign people up?

Joepackfan,
Current schedule is to start signing up customers and consultants on Feb 8th.

Please read what I posted earlier. It now holds more truths than ever; especially with multiple place to buy utilities.

I really do not have any hard feelings toward Ambit one way or the other. I guess I’m just curious why a break-out residential alternative electric company needs an MLM marketing technique to bring it to full fruition. Wouldn’t they have much better success with magazine ads, newspaper articles, conferences, exhibits that actually detail how Ambit works, etc.? If they make so much money a year, they cannot plug a few million and generate a smart, savvy advertising campaign?

To kindly respond to “BeenThereDoneThat”, you’re talking apples and oranges…one product/service compared to offering two or more from a company. Both have advantages and disadvantages. It’s the same difference between comparing an architect, or a cabinet maker. One is a generalist, and the other a specialist. Both can succeed IF they have loyal customers and a decent market share in their locale.

I have lived among many multi-millionaires with their own businesses. They have all told me to “start with one product or service, and become the best at that one thing. Know it, make it better, understand what others are doing and ensure your customers see you as the expert”. These people had businesses in the food industry, lumber, high-tech and more. Since they have the fruit, results spoke to me more than just mere words. I think you and I agree that results are a measure (not the only measure) of proof.

You wrote: “You are offering one product and one product only. Therefore you cannot increase your share of customer by having more products to offer. Eventually you will run out of customers and with nothing else to offer them, your income, if any, will become stagnant. Find a company that offers a diverse product line with unique and consumable products”.

If you run out of energy customers, how is that any different to running out of other “product” customers. Having multiple products doesn’t affect the number of potential customers. With energy, the potential customers (size of the market) is huge compared to specialized products. That is the reasoning behind some companies pushing multiple products, to increase their market potential. The market for energy is the entire population within a deregulated area. Apples and oranges inference among the two, and a huge benefit for the energy market since there are so few that do not use it.

In the case of retail energy, throw in the lesser need for inventory, monthly collections, monthly selling to the same customers, and similar needs for that venue. The assertion that you can’t make a lasting and growing residual with a single product/service is really orthogonal to the discussion here. Lasting and growing residuals are more related to penetration of the market (market share) than number of offerings. You still have to sell for either, but the difference is the holding power and the competitive nature of the market to entice a customer to change his habit or decision (e.g. switch to another retail provider, or purchase the product from WalMart or Target).

I see many checks each week in 4 figures with Ambit. Residuals grow each month. This business is in its’ infancy. How much of an $4-6 Billion market do you need to have a decent income. Most network marketer try to entice people with “get rich in 12 months”. You and I and this audience don’t fall for that type of hype (point back to results matter). Results don’t happen without action. I see that in this business.

Thanks for the discussion gentlemen.

In response to IfUcanSleepDoIt :

With respect…
Your choice of words “legitimate business” is interesting. Let’s look at corporate America. They file papers with the state, build a business plan, get funding, begin operations, and create value for a customer base with the hope and intent to stay in the game and expand. No one complains that they make a profit from their services and products. They often create revenue from consulting, engagements, product offerings, services to support the customer, etc. This is the definition of “legitimate business” that everyone understands and the model is entrenched in business worldwide.

Ambit and many network marketing companies are in the same game. They follow those same rules EXCEPT for the use of consultants instead of the traditional sales/marketing model that we see in corporate American “legitimate businesses”. They have to file with the state, pass regulatory requirements, setup operations, hire staff, buy or lease facilities, and cover all the same overhead expenses that “legitimate businesses” have to perform.

The costs are the same…and the revenue stream is applied against those costs according to the business plan…no difference there either.

When any of us are hired by a company to perform a function, is it normal to be fully productive on Day 1? Not likely, there is training (informal and sometimes formal) required for us to understand the business, the company strategy, vision, operations and how we play a part to help deliver value to the customer, and help the company to achieve its’ revenue targets. Still no difference between “legitimate business” and Ambit so far.

Look at “legitimate businesses”. Pick TXU. They regularly get fined for abuses to the tune of millions of dollars…while they are making Billions of dollars. They are not an MLM. I can point to companies in many sectors (Enron, Financial Services firms, Retail, etc.). Legitimate businesses have their warts also.

The broad brush assertion that Ambit is not a “legitimate business” is a interesting assertion made while ignoring the rest of corporate America…let’s be fair.

Regarding Ambit. The fee that a consultant pays to start his business goes directly to the company. It is used to apply against costs of operating that company, just like consulting and services revenue does for “legitimate businesses”. We consultants don’t see a dime of that money. We get paid ONLY when we bring customers to the company. The value received from that customer is their money, in return for less expensive energy. Part of that revenue comes to us. Since customers don’t jump retail energy providers every month, the financial model accounts for that, knowing from actuary like tables the likelihood in a given month of people switching away…normal “legitimate business” model financial and operations of energy companies (e.g. TXU, Reliant, etc.).

Now, the reason I raised the question about training when we join a company (time for dollars) is that TRAINING is a key part of the proposition when someone starts something. With Ambit, we leaders spend hours and hours training new people. We train about deregulation, process, sales, marketing, customer service, building a business, managing money in your business, etc. That training costs time, and as you know from “legitimate business” models, time is money.

With Ambit, a new consultant can also make money without ever sponsoring another consultant. How? He gets customers for himself and gets paid residuals when those customers pay their bills. He/She can make $$$ without bringing in someone with a “sign up fee”. He can sponsor an affiliate and still make $$$ without bringing in other consultants. How many “legitimate businesses” that are not network marketing related do that?

Ambit Energy pays out a well defined amount of money for every customer. Bonuses are based on groups of customers (2 for the first bonus, and the rest in groups of 5). Residuals are based on individual customers. Notice that this is based on customers. Sounds like the traditional “legitimate business” model that all businesses follow. Without customers, you go out of business. You can staff a Sales and Marketing team internally in any business…but if you don’t find paying customers, you don’t stay in business. There is no difference here in the world of business economics.

If the assertion is that MLM and related companies are not legitimate businesses because of how they use their “revenue”, then just about every business known to man is guilty, not only MLMs, and certainly not a point against Ambit. The internal financials of a company are based on supporting their business model in their chosen industries.

In fact, I will assert that corporate America is the greater perpetrator to what you are saying than Ambit ever will be.

Ambit provides value that people will pay for. Lower cost energy, and opportunity for someone to start a business from their home, Leaders who train them (which costs us time), and coaching, encouragement and corrective action along the way for those who want to succeed.

Yes…I sleep well at night.

My apologies for the long response…but hopefully, my response was respectfully made.

What have I said that sounds like cult-like behavior? Frankly, I don’t see how I can be more upfront and matter-of-fact about my point.

I definitely agree that if you have spent a year and you see no return, BAIL. You should bail before then as far as I’m concerned.

Here’s what really gets to me. People who are so quick to knock something they know nothing about. Whether it’s Ambit Energy or an Arby’s franchise, I just believe there is plenty of opportunity today for an American to start with something small and grow it into something big if they REALLY work at it.

I’m still trying.

That can take a while and a lot of advertising, and real work.

Most people out there when looking at an MLM or any other business opportunity, they laugh at it, while some people see the potential. I guess, I see the potential in a lot of them. Generally, it’s not the company and it’s offerings that is the scam. It’s the lie that people convince themselves that they will do all the work that it takes. How many complaints do you ever hear from people that involve things like not getting paid for a certain amount of sales you brought in, or waiting forever to be paid, or getting paid less than promised? You rarely, if ever, hear anything like that. So, if the company delivers a commission for what was asked of you, there really is not much to complain about.

A scam is someone taking your money and not delivering anything for it.

You are presented with an opportunity, if you believe you can make something of it, take a chance and see what happens. The truth is there are thousands of people out there who have made millions in all kinds of similar opportunities, including Ambit Energy.

I am in the home improvement field, and I specialize in flooring. It’s not unlike any other business in that it takes effort and organization. I am just tired of working for someone else, and I want to start my own thing.

I, like many people, face criticism for simply looking for something different in life, something that is my own and can enjoy. I have an extremely arrogant older brother who actually gets off on things that I try and fail at. I admit I have failed, but I also truly believe that’s part of getting there.

I know one day I will be respected for my accomplishments. At the same time, as I age, I care less of what people think of me, especially total assholes who have God complexes simply because they succesfully run a small business. I recognize what is behind those energies. Here’s the harsh truth. PEOPLE DO NOT WANT YOU TO SUCCEED.

PEOPLE ESPECIALLY DO NOT WANT YOU TO SUCCEED THEM.

I am talking about the people around you. Now, I know there are a lot of great people out there who truly like to help people near them get farther in life by supporting their ideas, and not knocking them all day, and saying things behind your back like you’re some joke.

Too many people out there feed off the dignities of others. I know that is a very big thing that you rarely hear people talking or writing about. SUPPORT. Not just support from a company rep, or sponsor, but the support of the supposed friends and family around you.

People love to see other people struggle, it makes struggle itself feel detached to them.

There are people who sickly need to extrapolate the good energy in people who are simply trying to do something for themselves.

I suggest the good old “Mind Your Own Business” philoophy. If you think that something is a scam, don’t get involved. If you feel like something is amazing and you envision really good possibilities, just go for it. I am still learning, and I am not an expert, but I do inately feel that I have to keep trying.

Sometimes when you reach for something different, to a lot of people, it seems so extraordinary, like the tried and true philosophy of getting a “real” job and making real money at the end of every week.

Well, with every job, there was someone who went out on a limb and took a chance on a business and made it happen, therefore affording you a job opportunity for their particular business.

What’s so wrong with YOU being that guy, or gal?

If it fails, you learn something.

I know that I struggle with serious diversity, with one person in particular who talks behind my back and has my whole family and his friends convinced that I am insane, or extremely foolish at the very least.

I recoginze it’s really his weakness, at the same time it hurts, but he doesn’t care about that, because by definition, he is truly the one who is insane. And by that I mean, someone who has an absolute disregard for other people’s feelings, because it is worth the comedy value to him while he is at a bar talking his big mouth off, and hanging out with other people with whom he also talks behind their backs.

People will suck you dry of energy, and courage. All I say is, recognize where they are coming from, and I mean your detractors.

Realize that NOONE is more important than you are, and that YOU DESERVE something better.

That much I have learned so far.

For a long time, I was hurt by someone who constantly talks, constantly rips on me, and finally said to myself, you know, this is just someone who I now have to completely disown.

I am sure I have stayed off topic, but at least I am offering something real from myself, and hopefully this helps anyone out there who is struggling with adversity from people close to them, because people close to you can be the most damaging.

In a lot of cases, they don’t even know they’re doing it, but at the same time there’s no excuse for it.

I thank God for the smart friends that I have who understand things like these who I can talk to and have a way of comforting me in my journey.

I guess all I am saying is just do what you feel is right, and take on what you know you can chew.

Just don’t let assholes run your life, or believe anything negative people want to say about you.

It’s unbelievable to me just how harsh people who supposedly love you can be so damn hurtful for their benefit, but let it teach you something. For me it has taught me that it really is a pretty cut-throat world. Fortunately there are good people still out there who truly want to help others, and get excited to work with people.

Hope this helps.

Graz

To IfUcanSleepDoIt…

I believe you are correct in your interpretation of the Ambit payout, but very much off course in the application in terms of business economics.

You wrote “It is true that without customers you will go out of business. You think that the people on top cares about that. They made their millions already from the minions of MC’s they have all over the place. They couldn’t care less if the business goes. All they have to do is think of the next hot commodity out there and start another MLM and so the business starts all over again.”

If I understand this point you made, your zeal is clouded by your economics. With all respect, regarding Ambit:

1. Your statement, “They made their millions already from the minions of MC’s they have all over the place” is financially myopic.

Where did those millions that you claim they got come from? You postulated that the money being paid out to consultants, was coming from recruiting MCs. If that is true, there is no money retained within the company (and the people at the top) based exactly on the Ambit payout information that you reiterated! Do the math…From your earlier post of the payouts from the Ambit literature (it is correct) for bringing a new MC onboard, there would be a $390 payout coming from a $399 “business fee”. The portfolio that is shipped to the new MC costs at least $9, so from your economics, the company either got nothing, or lost a little bit of money.

They did get the 2 customers though, but that is future revenue. But you discounted the customer revenue and stated the people at the top got rich from the new MCs already. Your financial logic does not fit your assertion about where the wealth at the top is coming from. You proved the opposite point that you were trying to make. So, if not coming from the minions of MCs, please clarify where did that wealth at the top come from?

2. You stated “Gather 4 customers in 4 weeks and get paid $100.00. Get an additional 6 customers in 8 weeks and you get another $100.00. With these formula, don’t you make more money recruiting MC’s than selling energy? Why then would you want to spend your time selling.”

Well…it is the leverage you get by building out the organization under you. I have seen $8,000 and $14,000 monthly checks representing RESIDUAL ONLY within Ambit. That money comes from customers downline. It is not personal customers that got them $14,000 residuals. It is the building out of the organization with 1000s of customers and getting residuals of from 50 cents to $3.00 per paying customer that generated that residual. You have to extend the thinking beyond yourself to grasp what this is doing. I have to believe that you understand that fundamental principle of network marketing…leverage.

Apply leverage within a “legitimate business”. Does the CEO of a company make more than the VPs, and the VPs make more than the Directors, and the Directors make more than the senior managers, etc.? That is leverage in action in every public and private company. Ambit financials operate in the same way. Leverage for those who take on more responsibility, and produce greater results.

Granted, there have been some incredibly poor MLMs that gave MLM and network marketing a bad industry reputation. But the same argument can be made for typical business across every industry sector, as I mentioned in my previous past.

3. Particularly with Ambit and others in the Energy Industry space, this last quote is very confusing as to the next steps that you said would occur…you stated “They couldn’t care less if the business goes. All they have to do is think of the next hot commodity out there and start another MLM and so the business starts all over again.”

So you are saying that a company that has 100 of thousands of residential energy customers (and growing rapidly) within THE LARGEST INDUSTRY in America, where people faithfully pay their bills (statistical statement) would just walk away and start something else after creating a huge customer base??? Where would they go and what would they do that would be any better? Energy is the largest industry!!! This would be like someone winning the lottery and the cash payout keeps going up, and the lottery ticket holder deciding to not claim the prize and go off and buy another ticket for the lottery. Again, your zeal is clouded by your business economics.

Can you give a few examples and thoughts of what and where the top Ambit people would go to and start another business that would be worth leaving all that growing customer revenue on the table and not claim it? Actions have consequences. I understand your zeal, but I don’t understand your suggested actions that you stated these people should or will do beyond the zeal.

4. The worst thing that anyone can do in joining a network marketing venture, is to come into that business with an “Employee attitude”. That is where most people fail immediately. This is not the security and paycheck for showing up and doing the minimal amount of work to get by. THIS IS A BUSINESS, YOUR BUSINESS. People need to come into Ambit (and others like it) with a Business Owner attitude. You need to think like it is your company. What do you need to do to make payroll? To survive? To get repeat customers? To take care of your business. An employee attitude will last about 3 weeks in this business. You are a consultant in your business, not Ambit’s business. Ambit is a supplier in your business. You are trading RESULTS for INCOME. This is not trading TIME for Income as in the “Employee Attitude”. Huge difference as you know.

Again, I respect opinions and thoughts. I read your post to me and the conclusions you made are exactly why someone with a “business owner attitude” should be in Ambit (you included). It is all about YOUR BUSINESS, common leverage, a huge industry, residuals and an opportunity to do something for yourself. If anyone wants to get employee expectations, do not apply. Industry consultants in Hi-Tech, HR, Turning companies around, etc. get paid for their knowledge, and their results. Ambit is no different in that regard. As said in my prior post, we (at least I do) spend a lot of time training people in my downline about this business, the operations, how to treat others, serving other people, etc. to be successful. This is the same as you would get if you purchased a franchise. Training makes you, or breaks you if you don’t get the training, and/or you do not apply it to YOUR business.

Thank you for the discussion.

Joel PMA

Positive Attitude is critical to any success. We all wain from time-to-time on that…just keep the forest in your sights as you navigate through the day to day learning.

More than happy to contribute with you. Feel free to click on my link and email me if you want to interact on the side.

If you could share more about what you are focusing your “business plan” on, I can help target my thoughts better.

Here are some general things I tell my folks that get started:

1. This is a marathon…not a sprint. Some people burst out of the gate, others don’t. Don’t judge, but encourage. Everyone is different. Enjoy the ride and don’t be “desperate”. You’re in a service business. We all want a Steve Thompson or Carlos Marin in our downline…you can’t make it happen…but you can let it happen.
2. Keep a servant attitude. You are blessing potential customers (and consultants) by reducing the cost of their energy below what it currently is. You will run into a few who don’t want to change or join. Give them the respect to say ‘No’ and politely move on. Don’t pressure, especially if you don’t like to be pressured. I have had that happen many times, and in a month or two, several have called me back after “thinking about it for awhile”.
3. Ask lots of questions and be a student of electricity deregulation in your area. I spent a month asking many questions every day until I had a good grasp (and haven’t stopped yet). The expertise and knowledge is part of being a consultant and the reason you will get paid for results. Teamsmanship is key here. Make sure everyone in your group shares what they know. You each are invaluable resources to each other. Working as a group is a great idea.
4. Remember to do #3 in terms of the consultant business. Rely on those experienced to help your new consultant get onto the right track as well…there is plenty of time for you to take the reins.
5. Don’t be afraid of making a mistake…you will. We are all human. The only concern is making a mistake that is more difficult to recover from. Talk with your upline alot and let them know what you are doing, what you are saying, what questions you are getting. Each one makes you stronger and more valuable.
6. (last one) Think like a customer. I mean like the customer who switches (as I presume you did), and as the consultant under you. Look at the world through someone else’s eyes besides your own. It speeds up the learning process.

Don’t make this business harder than it is. (OK…this is really #7 :-0 ) Energy is a commodity. Either you save customers money with a lower price, or you don’t switch them. Your perspective is correct. Do the same with potential new consultants. Don’t promise tons of money in a short period of time. Instead, set a small achievable goal, like making enough to pay the electric bill, or a car payment, and build up from there. Be realistic, and emphasize what you have already articulated…this is a business…you are an owner, not an employee…if you don’t do anything…that’s what you get.

Sorry for being verbose…I’m passionate about this business and helping people succeed. Become a great servant, and you’ll have all the qualities of a great and successful leader.

I have a great upline sponsor. I try to be the same with those that want to join me in this business as well. I believe that everything else is a symptom (positive or negative) of that kind of attitude.

Feel free to email or continue this thread in this forum if the forum Admin doesn’t have problem (it is a different topic)…I’m OK either way Joel.

Joel. info at powerfromambit dot com

To ‘If you can sleep…”

You see my point. The people in front of the room making the big money are making it from recruiting bonuses; NOT from the sale of any product. They bolted from the room rather than take questions. What does that tell you?!? What are they afraid of? Why not stay and help people understand the business instead of creating a ‘hit and run’ situation like he did? Long term, this has disaster written all over it and damages the industry as a whole.

We do not get commissions from the website…period.

See my previous posts that answer your other questions. I see enough residual only checks to know that there is significant money coming from people paying their energy bills. If you both were “burned” in previous network marketing ventures…so was I and many others. Did you stop riding a bicycle the first time you fell (or pushed) off? Did you stop driving a car after your first accident? Did you stop working for an employer the first time you got a pay raise that you felt was too small, or didn’t get that promotion you were hoping for?

Attitude reflects character and heart.

Name a company that is perfect in your eyes and is worth joining as a business owner, or an employee. It would be helpful to see the world through your eyes in that regard.

You might want to review :
1. Federal and State case law about pyramids and scams.
2. The criteria for the Ambit pre-launch in Illinois…your numbers are grossly in error in your example.
3. Your inclusion of “other fees” for books, tapes and CDs, etc. is inconsistent relative to businesses and consulting professions across all industries.

To add to the previously unanswered question about your examples of model businesses, you might add examples of businesses or consulting professionals where they can obtain their training and materials that they choose to purchase from suppliers for free (and the cost is not hidden in other activities) in the public / government sectors. These are included as part of any franchise fee, when you buy a business, expenses when you start a business, or in business-to-business activities in the public domain. Would very much like to see how your model works beyond your current zeal for the energy market you pursue here. I would very much like to see the world through your eyes…I’m clearly missing something in your business economics (and case law).

When you purchase a franchise, they made money from you purchasing a franchise. When you buy a business, they made money from just you buying that business. When M&As occur, someone made money from just that activity. So, how is this different with Ambit, Ignite and others (or is it just Ambit)?

From your zeal, I presume you refuse to do business with any franchise or small business in America…because the single point you drive here is also true for how most of them got started as well.

Let me encourage you to help steer this to your positive examples of what you see other companies or opportunities doing correctly in this business space. That might better help frame your points within this discussion. Thank you.

Thank you powerfromambit! I really enjoy your insight and wisdom when it comes to saying what you have to say in a way that outs it out there some anyone with even a small education can get it! I have been with Ambit for a little bit now and KNOW what Ambit offers and what it can pay out in relation to my effort, time, and passion put into it. Hope to see you at Power Trip 2008! My name is Phil and you will see me with my brother Jeremy…we are the Simers’ brothers!
to all of you who knock Ambit…you either are against us with another company or you just have not researched enough…because even a “caveman” could see what we offer! To Consultants AND Customers!!!!!

I will not get in a WIT WAR with anyone…the information is out there…this has been the information age for 10 years now! Ambit is with the BBB and has guarantees along with GREAT business minded team members. So down with the negative that you promote without concrete basis for even a small chance at a snowball fight on a summer day!

This is such an interesting thread. I am thinking of joining Ambit this week and plunging in right away. I am a member of a couple of MLM’s and I love this kind of work and enjoy getting the word out there. I even train my downline to do the same.

That’s the exact approach I will use for Ambit and I know I will make it work. It also helps that I’m in Westchester county in New York and can hopefully get all the members of my apartment complex to join!

Take care,

Laura

You might want to review :
1. Federal and State case law about pyramids and scams.

[If you have the link to these case laws you’re referring to, I’ll be more than happy to review them.]

2. The criteria for the Ambit pre-launch in Illinois…your numbers are grossly in error in your example.

[This is the link I want to see the most, please post it here so we can all review it. Could you also post the corrections in my grossly erroneous calculations, thank you. If you don’t mind.]

3. Your inclusion of “other fees” for books, tapes and CDs, etc. is inconsistent relative to businesses and consulting professions across all industries.
[Don’t see anything wrong with selling books or paying for training, I think it’s a good revenue source]

Still Waiting……….

Been away getting and giving customers to my downline to trigger more bonuses. That’s part of the fun with this business…serving others.

Phil…I’ll be there looking for you and Jeremy.

Ill…responses to most of your questions already on this thread. Your latter questions are “customer” questions and the answer is the same for all energy companies. If I misinterpreted the latter, please clarify for us which are “consultant” questions and which are “customer” questions. Thank you.

IfUcanSleepDoIt…will post after you answer the outstanding questions to you sir which are still missing in this forum. Let’s not let them dangle out there…OK?

Wow… This was so funny to read all of this stuff. People spend a lot of time and energy to argue points, don’t they? I only got directed here, because of a new associate who had a friend send them this link. I think it is funny actually. Where is the mention to Avon, Partylite, Tastefully Simple, Mary Kay, or any other company that uses the same model? Yes, people make money, Yes, some make more…some make less. That’s life. MLM’s are not illegal.

Where is the solid proof, legal documents, lawsuits, or whatever that shows me that the company is not a good one? I have called customer service…they answer, they are pleasant, they help. They offer their customers perks for being a customer… how refreshing. What is the problem? There are hundreds of different types of products that compete…so, do that..compete. Don’t worry about what it costs. Go find a business you can start up that you will enjoy that isn’t hurting people and do it. Move on with life… enjoy your kids… wow… quit arguing over things that just don’t matter in the realm of life. LOL.

Have you hugged your kids today? GO do it! Tomorrow is not even a reality!

I happen to be an independent consultant for Ambit Energy Company, and I am VERY impressed with what I have seen so far. Although I agree there are many more scams out there than legit companies, Ambit is not one of them. Ambit is a LEGIT company. I know several people including myself who are earning 6 figure incomes as a result of Ambit. Just for the heck of it, go to my website and click on the video business presentation (Texas), and educate yourself. If you like what you hear give me a call at (832)330-6390. Also, you do not have to live in Texas, New York, or Illinois to be a consultant. You could live in any state and be just as successful. You could do mailings, and people could call and enroll from your website.
If you are a person (like me) who is not afraid to work in order to be where you want to be financially then this is definently for you. If you expect all the customers and consultants to knock down your door to get you to enroll them than this business or any business is not for you. I only want serious business people on my team. If you are one of them then I look forward to hearing from you. Don’t forget to watch the video presentation on my website

May peace be with you,
Rhonda

AS EXPECTED…

Get new sources. I got info from Jere Thompson and Chris Chambless myself. They did not start over. Everything is moving towards closure.

In short time, milestones will prove which sources are truthful and knowledgeable, and which aren’t.

WHAT do you expect from Thompson and Chambless. They are the boss. Of course they’ll tell you everything is OK.

Get new sources…

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Doc # – 07-0603

STATE OF ILLINOIS
ILLINOIS COMMERCE COMMISSION
Ambit Energy, LP, :
:
Application for Certificate of Service : 07-0603
Authority under Section 19-110 of the :
Public Utilities Act :
ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE’S PROPOSED ORDER
By the Commission:
On December 10, 2007, Ambit Energy, LP filed a verified Application seeking a certificate of service authority to operate as an alternative gas supplier (an “AGS”) in Illinois, pursuant to 220 ILLCS 5/19-110. Notice of Ambit’s Application was published in the Edwardsville Intelligencer on December 21, 2007.
The Administrative Law Judge (the “ALJ”) issued a ruling on December 20, 2007, requesting additional information required by various regulations in order to correct certain deficiencies in Ambit’s Application. Ambit timely filed a response to this ruling.
Description of the Applicant and of the Proposed AGS Services
Ambit is a Limited Partnership with its principal office in Dallas, Texas. Ambit provided documentation from the Illinois Secretary of State demonstrating that it is licensed in Illinois to transact business as a limited partnership and it is in good standing with the Secretary of State.
Ambit came into existence in 2005 and it currently serves residential and small commercial energy customers in New York and Texas. Although Ambit only seeks AGS certification, it additionally is an alternative electric supplier in one or more of these other states. In its Application, Ambit seeks authority to provide gas only to residential customers. Ambit further represents that it seeks to serve customers within the entire service areas of Northern Illinois Gas Company, (“Nicor”) The Peoples Gas Light and Coke Company, (“Peoples”) North Shore Gas Company.
The Statutory Requisites for Certification
The statutory requirements for certification of alternative gas suppliers are set forth in 220 ILCS 5/19-110. In order to qualify or AGS certification, an applicant must demonstrate that it possesses sufficient technical, financial and managerial resources and the ability to provide the service for which it seeks a certificate of service authority. (220 ILCS 5/19-110(e)(1)). The Commission’s regulations regarding certification of alternative 07-0603 2
gas suppliers are set forth in 83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.20 through 551.110. These regulations set forth what evidence an applicant needs in order to establish that it has sufficient technical, financial and managerial resources.
General AGS Requirements and Obligations
Copies of letters notifying Nicor, Peoples and North Shore were provided, thus satisfying the requisites in 83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.30. Ambit did not seek to serve customers within a geographic area that is smaller than a gas utility’s service area. Therefore, 83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.70(a) is inapplicable to Ambit.
Ambit certified that it will comply with all applicable regulations, rules, practices, policies, procedures and tariffs for the use, operation, maintenance safety integrity and reliability of the interstate natural gas system, in accordance with 83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.20(a). (Application, par. 5). It also certified that it will provide service to residential customers that are eligible to take service from an AGS; that it will comply with the informational and reporting requirements established by this Commission; and that it will comply with all other applicable laws and Commission regulations and orders, thus fulfilling the requisites in 83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.20(a) through (d).
Ambit further agreed to adopt and follow rules and procedures ensuring that it will have authorizations received from customers. It also averred that requests for service that are transmitted to utilities will be retained for a period of not less than two calendar years. Ambit also agreed to treat customer information in a confidential manner. (Application, pars. 13 and 14). Thus, Ambit has satisfied the requisites in 83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.40(a) and (b).
Financial Qualifications
As is required by 83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.50(a), Ambit has provided this Commission with its permit bond. Its surety is Westchester Fire Insurance Company. The bond is in the amount of $150,000, as is required by 83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.50(a). Ambit has satisfied the requirements in Section 551.50(a); however Sections 551.50(b) and (c) remain fully applicable to Ambit.
Additionally, 83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.80 provides that an applicant possesses sufficient financial resources to be certified as an AGS if it meets any of the criteria set forth in subsections (a) through (g). (83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.80(a)-(g)). Subsection (a) provides that an applicant has sufficient financial resources, if it provides a copy of a Dun & Bradstreet Business Information Report demonstrating, that it has a composite credit appraisal of “3” or lower and a PAYDEX score of “70” or higher. (83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.80(a)). Ambit has submitted a Dun & Bradstreet Report, dated, December 3, 2007, establishing that it has a composite credit appraisal of “2” and a PAYDEX score of 80 (Application, Attachment D). 07-0603 3
Managerial Qualifications
83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.100 requires each applicant to have two managerial employees with four or more years of management experience involving enterprise, financial and administration responsibilities. An applicant must also set forth the occupational background information regarding the persons in question. (83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.100(a)). The attachments to the Application and Ambit’s response to the ALJ ruling of December 20, 2007, do not establish when the persons in question worked at a particular organization, or, in what capacity. Instead, these documents merely state that a person “held a position” with an entity. Ambit has not established that it has two managerial employees with four or more years of management experience.
Technical Qualifications
83 Ill. Adm. Code 551.90 requires an applicant to prove that it has more than one person on its staff with demonstrated four years of natural gas sales experience. Except in the case of Mr. Smead, the attachments to the Application and Ambit’s response to the ALJ ruling of December 20, 2007, do not establish what positions the employees in question had with an organization, or for how long he or she held that position. Ambit has not established that it meets the requirements in this regulation.
Consumer Complaints
Because Ambit had been operating AGS in two other states since 2005, the ALJ ruling required Ambit to set forth, with particularity, what consumer or regulatory complaints or lawsuits have been filed against it contesting the propriety of its current marketing practices. Ambit’s response identified 47 consumer complaints filed against it in the Texas Public Utility Commission, and three filed against it in the New York Public Utility Commission. All 50 consumer complaints were filed in 2007. 50 consumer complaints within one year, all of which, Ambit asserts, contest its marketing practices, is an alarmingly high number.
Additionally, while Ambit concludes, with regard to most of these complaints, that no violation of any law occurred, it gave this Commission very little information, upon which, it could determine whether, in fact, these 50 consumer complaints were not legitimate. For example, with regard to a complaint filed in Texas by a person named Comisky, the information provided was only that “customer had account set up in brother’s name. Brother complained he was misled” and “Provided TVP recording of brother verifying his SSN, the service/billing address etc.” This information does not establish that a consumer was not misled.
Moreover, the December 20, 2007, ALJ ruling requested all consumer complaints. All of the consumer complaints Ambit cited were filed in 2007. Ambit has been in operation since 2005. While it is certainly possible that these consumer complaints represent the entirety of the complaints filed against Ambit in Texas and New York, it is somewhat improbable that all complaints would be filed within one of the three years in which, Ambit 07-0603 4
has been in operation.

We therefore conclude that the fact that Ambit listed 50 consumer complaints filed against it within one year, and its lack of forthright information about the nature of the complaints, also, makes it unsuitable for a certificate.

Further, Commission Staff filed the Verified Statement of Joan Howard, a Consumer Policy Analyst in the Commission’s Consumer Services Division. Therein, Ms. Howard stated that Consumer Services Division became aware of Ambit’s “consultant” recruiting efforts in Illinois because citizens and news media began making enquiries with the Commission’s Consumer Services Division and other Commission offices. Some members of the public were contemplating becoming Ambit marketing “consultants,” but, in order to do so, they were required to invest $400. Thus, they wanted to know whether Ambit was licensed by the Commission or whether it was a legitimate company. As a result, Ms. Howard asked Ambit to provide information about its marketing practices. The information provided to Ms. Howard indicated that these consultants were encourage to market Ambit to family, friends, acquaintances, etc., through in-person solicitation, internet web sites, telemarketing and trade shows.
Ms. Howard further averred that, from the information Ambit provided her, it appears that Ambit’s consultants will market Ambit’s gas supply to end-users. Also, those consultants will attempt to recruit consultants. At a minimum, she recommends that the Commission must require Ambit to distinguish between these two activities. She further notes that Ambit did not provide her with a copy of the consultant agreements. She concluded, in essence, that therefore, it is not possible to determine that Ambit requires its consultants to abide by all applicable laws, including those that prohibit misleading and abusive marketing practices.
Ms. Howard’s Verified Statement is further indication that Ambit’s Application should be denied. There is no indication that Ambit’s marketing consultants are employees or are otherwise controllable by Ambit. Without such control, any policy Ambit articulates regarding abiding by Illinois law could be meaningless. Also, the allegations in Ms. Howard’s Verified Statement are some indication that Ambit has been holding itself out to the general public as a properly certificated entity, when, in fact, it is not.

Finally, while practices concerning the recruitment of sales persons are not within the purview of the Public Utilities Act, it appears, from this scant record, that Ambit’s “consultants” recruit other “consultants.” This practice could have a negative impact upon the truth and veracity of the marketing information that consumers receive.

On exceptions,
Ambit shall provide verified information explaining the following:
how its “consultants” are recruited,
what training they receive,
what information they receive concerning abiding by all state and federal laws, and what fees are charged, if any, for the privilege of being an Ambit “consultant.”

Ambit shall further provide this Commission with an explanation as to the method, by which, its “consultants” are recruited, paid, (e.g., hourly rate, commissions) what services are eligible for compensation, (e.g., for “signing 07-0603 5
up” new customers, “signing up” new “consultants”) and the amount of compensation for each service.

For the reasons stated herein, Ambit’s Application for AGS certification is hereby denied, in its entirety.

The Commission, having considered the entire record and being fully advised in the premises, is of the opinion and finds that:
(1) the Petitioner, Ambit Energy, LP, a limited partnership licensed to transact business in Illinois, is seeking authority to operate as an Alternative Gas Supplier pursuant to 220 ILCS 5/19-110;
(2) the Commission has jurisdiction over Ambit Energy, LP and subject-matter jurisdiction;
(3) the facts recited and conclusions reached in the prefatory portion of this order are supported by the record; they are hereby adopted as findings of fact and conclusions of law;
(4) for the reasons set forth above, the Application of Ambit Energy, LP is denied, in its entirety.

IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED by the Illinois Commerce Commission that Application of Ambit Energy, LP, for certification as an Alternative Gas Supplier is denied.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, subject to the provisions of Section 10-113 of the Act and 83 Ill. Adm. Code 200.880, this Order is final; it is not subject to the Administrative Review Law.

Dated: January 7, 2007
Claudia E. Sainsot
Administrative Law Judge
Illinois Commerce Commission
Simultaneous Briefs on Exception to be filed and served: No later than 5:00 p.m. on January 10, 2007.

BTW, just read the last thread prior to mine. We are resubmitting March 10th-14th for our licensing in Illinois. Don’t worry, it’s coming.

Time will tell. Plenty of eyes watching.

I never disclosed my name…tipped your hand. Thanks for signing me up on the other site. Good sense of humor.

You don’t have to disclose your name you never hid it in the first place. Just google your ID and all your info is there. I do have a good sense of humor but what site is that?

The great thing about this type of business is that everyone who want to join can!! Everyone else can just watch!!
Ambit Rep choose to be involved with the company and they will earn as much money as they choose. Some Reps will earn a lot of money. Some will a little. It all left up to the efforts of each person.

Mike,

Are you telling us that you already have 120 customers in Illinois? Wow..

Wow Mike….I am calling you. I have to know how you did that.

I hope you do not mind!

Take care,

Laura

PS…I’m in New York

I tend to agree with Mike. I am up near Wisconsin, yet all my customers have come from Texas. My sales team has put on an average of one consultant per day this winter. They have had no trouble finding customers in Texas either. I agree things would be a bit easier if we had service in Illinois, but that doesn’t stop me. That’s why we have modern telecommunication systems.
I know someone in Puerto Rico who is a senior consultant for Ambit already doing everything long distance. It can be done. There are successful Ambit consultants in over 33 states.
Ambit energy consultants have nothing to hide. If you would like to contact me, you may do so at stateline.energy@gmail.com.
David Baer
815-708-2120.

Hey Mike
I have to say I have been in a few different business’s But there has been nothing to touch Ambit I am like you no where close to service area and building strong and this gets more exciting everyday.Just becouse your not in service area can not let that stop you!!

Michelle Prevette
1-704-322-3903

Hey Mike I agree with you I am to out of service areas In North Carolina probly one of the last states that will be deregulated,but that has not stopped me.Ambit is has a very strong structure.I to am having no problem building it ,and agree it depends on your Why and if you are determined enough to push forward and not afraid of obsticles.People give up to easy they think having there own business is easy it takes work and time.And team effort.Ambit is growing and I am in it to the end and I to am not afraid to put myself out there call me if you want to know more.1-704-322-3903

Anybody who buys into a business model like Ambit and does’nt make money on their investment,first of all probably sat on their dead ass and did nothing.Second of all they should probably stick to what ever job they had because they are the type of people who are stuck in their little comfort zone listening to people (after you got involved)telling you that thats a scam,thats a pyramid,that will never work,and you know what? They’re right,for you.You will never go anywhere unless you believe in what your doing.The energy market will never dry up,there are 50 states in this country.Stop listening to your friends.Negative people promote nothing but negative energy and if you let that seep into your life you will go no where.You need to do some research on the subconsious mind.Good luck

OOPs…I said it was a great time to be a New Yorker and I forgot about the whole governor resigning thing.

Its still a great time to be a New Yorker!

Laura

Welcome to the forum everyone. Nothing I can add about Ambit above what we’ve all been experiencing ourselves. From my previous posts, this in not the place to come with an “employee” attitude and perspective. You truly get paid for your results. If you do nothing, that’s what you get.

All the best to everyone. I’m in Texas and coming up on my 1 year anniversary with Ambit. Gotta love it.

Hi all,
Count me as another excited Ambit Energy Consultant. I have been involved for over a year, and have earned thousands of dollars. The company has shown itself to be very responsive and customer friendly. There are those that say it can be done, and there are those who say it can’t be done. For themselves, they are both right! As “powerfromambit” said, this is a business and you can NOT come into this with an employee attitude and survive or thrive for very long. YOU MUST consider yourself a business owner, completely responsible for your success. NO EXCUSES.

It is noteworthy that the reason that we all pay to be a part of the game (up front or monthly, depending on the MLM) is because if we do not pay a cost, then where does the money that we want to be the recipient of come from?

Also, the reason that Ignite doesn’t use advertising instead of through referal is because they DON’T HAVE TO! (lol)

Why would they? They offer an excellent product (Cheap Energy) and that is something hard to refuse. And with no advertising division? That’s one place that our profit can come from; it frees up more money to work with at that point.

Also, Powerfromambit… I’d like to start up a dialouge with you over e-mail, I’m fascinated with your teaching and debating abilities and am interested in picking your brain!

Regarding the whole ‘Ambit is bad, Ignite is good’ thing… I say “Ha Ha, get over it!”
So what if Ambit ‘stole’ the business template. Ever been to Logan’s Roadhouse? Ever seen a Texas Roadhouse across the street from Logan’s? Same concept, and same original founders. One of them just got mad at the other, and now you have TWO Roadhouses to choose from! So… which one is closer? (lol)

after reading all the negative stuff about ambit energy, I’ve decided to join. I love negative.

You won’t recruit me. If this is such a great opportunity, Why aren’t you guys who want us to join trying to sell us electricity OR paying our fees to get in on the “secret”. You gotta be outta your mind to believe in a Pyramid game. You are on your way to being fornicated.

Wow Wayne there is no secret teaching and informing people with knowledge, and paying it forward is good if the person is serious and not negative and bet you would want someone to build your business to(Pyramid)some people are there own dream killers.And your right you don’t have to pay someone to change your provider but a lot of people don’t understand so it is my job to let consumer know and yes I get paid and yes I should because if I can save someone money and not ask for one red cent nor do I ask for credit card nor do I ask for any personal information. And I screen the people I work with because people filled with such negativity as you would be a drag!
Building Strong Team! And guess what we don’t sell a thing we build on relationships but then again some people don’t know how.

Well spoken by Triumphant Success.

If you don’t have a dream in life, your boss or the company you work for probably does.

I know a guy with a B.A. in Kyle Texas who preached just like you pundits preach now. He found out different and he is now out of Ignite. This is a pyramid game. It is not a legitimate business. My friend apologized to me for his shortsightedness and he now thanks me for my preaching to him. Have fun boys with that “residual income”. I personally think you would be better off with a job at McDonalds. They ARE hiring and they won’t charge you a start up fee to get you burning burgers.

Triumphant Success said “This is a secret; one that we’re trying to TELL everyone! Have you ever met an Ignite or Ambit rep that wanted your money and your soul on faith?”

YES, I have.
1. They wanted a start up fee (my money).
2. They wanted my soul on faith. (By asking me to trick people into signing up under my name. I would tell ANYONE that they can switch their electric provider for FREE. (My soul) Friends do that for friends.

Wayne,

I decided to take your advice, I called the proper authorities to find out if Ambit, Ignite, Avon, Mary Kay, Affordable Energy were illegal companies and they told me NO.

It has been stated many times, that no business is free always a start up cost associated with opening one up, whether it is a franchise or a distributorship.

I imagine that you have tried an MLM company in the past and did not make it work, so you call every company that a scam and you get jealous that other people are making money with them and you can’t.

It is a normal to feel that way Wayne, some people like yourself just don’t have what it takes to be successful with an MLM company.

That’s why you need to stick with a JOB, better suited for you! Have people telling you what to do so you know your way.

If you want to talk about it..

Give me a call.

Mike

314-259-1276

Don’t hold your breath waiting for that phone to ring Mikey.

By the way, I own a successful business. I build homes.

Want to know what Mike (redrider67) is really selling, Just Google his telephone number. he gave it to you above.

Wayne-

A Builder, guess what, you have to keep building to get paid. I earn 80,000 residually a year and don’t really HAVE to work. If I was a builder, I would be a little nervous right now. People don’t NEED builders, but they need energy, just like YOU DO.

Can anyone tell me the name of the first (male) spokesperson in the “Cracking The Energy Code” Presentation and he is he in any other capacity with Ambit other than being a visible spokesperson?

Excelent3

I wish the people up in front of the room at these meetings would ‘Boldy Go’ out on a limb and say, “I made this much money last month!! Come on up and look at my paystub. That? Well, yeah, the vast majority of my money is from recruiting bonuses so, no, none of that money is truly a residual income because, no, we’re not making any money from the sale of energy in Illinois at all yet so, yeah, if the recruiting stopped today I wouldn’t even have a check at all next month but I’m ecstatic that all these people here are signing up so that I can have a big check next month and each month there after so that, eventually, when we can sell energy, a small part of my check will be residual.” Do that. Stand up, be honest and do that and let’s see. Although I do find Ambits compensation plan a bit amusing or maybe ultra creative would be the best possible description. According to the .pdf, in order to earn your first $100 JumpStart bonus, you must enroll 4 customers for the energy. Here’s the fun part. You can be one of the 4 (which makes sense) and if you have an Ambit Energy website, the website itself counts as two more! Come on. Let’s not even break a sweat here. How about we throw them a $100 bone for basically just waking up in the morning to motivate them to get more reps that pay $399 each to join which keeps the guy in front of the room, up in front of the room making his big check. The debate goes on.

“BeenThereDoneThat”
I for one have seen the residual checks of many and very well on my way to residual and it does take time to build residual as it takes time for any business go open a store see if you make profit in a week or even a month (not) We can debate all day long but I can tell you one thing I have tried several businesses LOST SOME GAINED SOME but I did not give up on my dream even when them negative dream killers that have a JOB (EWW) and have to be told what to do and how to do it. That’s why they have Jobs I worked for years beside people that consider that ok for their life and that’s ok if they are comfortable and happy but 95% of them are not!!! Most people hate there jobs and are treated like crap because corporate don’t give a damn about the people having a job you ain’t nothing but a number!!My husband worked for company big name company 29 yrs missed 2 days closed doors $5000.00 in severence go to work for that NOT Jobs are taken out of this country everyday, and the cost of living, hell with a job you have to rob Paul to pay Peter to survive. Foreclosures speak for that! But if you decide to do somthing for yourself a take control do the due diligence Ambit is not promising you to get rich quick, Ambit is a opportunity you can take control of. Ambit will give you what you put into it. You put nothing you get nothing. Ambit has very high standards and it’s paying my bills and loving every minute of it Yes I have a team yes as you say recruit so does the army,and 75% of my team is not even in service area but we are making it happen. I Don’t ask my team to put there life on the line. I ask them to go for there Why!

Thefuture1ambit… Your continued usage of the term due diligence got me curious, and when I looked the term up I was surprised at what I found.

I believe that the phrase’s definition is noteworthy and will contribute to the theme of this thread.

Due Diligence: (According to -Encyclopedia of Small Business-)

-Due diligence is a program of critical analysis that companies undertake prior to making business decisions in such areas as corporate mergers/acquisitions or major product purchases/sales. The due diligence process, whether outsourced or executed in-house, is in essence an attempt to provide business owners and managers with reliable and complete background information on proposed business deals, whether the deal in question is a proposed acquisition of another company or a partnership with an international distributor, so that they can make informed decisions about whether to go forward with the business action. “The [due diligence] process involves everything from reading the fine print in corporate legal and financial documents such as equity vesting plans and patents to interviewing customers, corporate officers, and key developers,” wrote Lee Copeland in Computerworld. The ultimate goal of such activities is to make sure that there are no hidden drawbacks or traps associated with the business action under consideration.

Thanks for expanding my vocabulary!

If everyone did their Due Diligence… NO ONE could say that they were scammed in any way.

Do your research!

Do your Due Diligence!

Hi, scam or not i am in two weeks and making money. In two weeks I made about $1,100
As long as that cow is givin’ milk i’m in.

Good Day All

Way to GO Oren…. Buy yourself a friend.

WAY TO GO Oren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now thats what im talkin about!!!!

I’m not even going to try and convince you all Ambit is a scam but I will say do a check on your leadership.

Paul Meyer IGI scammer, and Ameritrust Lending.

Carlos Marin (ex Amway<— used to go to Mexico and use there poverty to his advantage to get them to buy tapes that would “Give the wealth”, Empexis, APP <– failed Gas card saving MLM scam, InXone<– the Gas card scam he started on his own when APP failed, Lexxus)

Just do a search on the leadership of your company/business model. Their leadership is filled with scamming, and jumping ship to the next MLM and drag their underlings with them while they stay on top.

I went to an Ambit “conference”.. seems like they’re more interested in making money than making the people happy with lower energy costs.
I think people would believe more, if the Ambit consultants were more interested in people switching over instead of being on their “team” and stop being so selfish.

FYI! WHATEVER YOU DO…
dont put your email or phone number down for any of them.. they’re like sharks.. and they’ll call you 6 times every day.. 7 days a week!

pyramid.. at its best… and a majority of these posts are from the Ambit sharks.. beware texas.. beware.

Well…

The last 4 postings were good ones. More fuel for the fire. I’m interested in seeing Ambit Rep’s responses.

I guess it’s good for me that I’m with Ignite and not Ambit for this round, cause I don’t know enough about Ambit to offer a defense.

I AM looking forward to the response though.

Regarding Ignite, I am DEFINITELY sure that it is a strong focus of our to keep our customers happy with low energy rates, & it is a massive focus of ours to not just recruit reps, but also the ‘spread the love’ around by offering this low cost solution to regular people regarding their energy rates, no strings attached.

ANYONE who wants to choose their own Energy, Click my name, go to the site, click compare and use the information to make your own choice of Electricity. Don’t rely on these MLM monsters to do it for you.

If you read this thread from the top down, everything on this forum has been addressed by both sides. No movement from either side…that’s OK.

Everyone is a crusader about something…this forum is no different. Some of our experiences are very different. Some get back on the bike after they fall off, some don’t. Some decide to learn to drive a car and the heck with the bike. Is it maturity, conviction, laziness, or leadership?

No one is perfect in this forum or anywhere else. Nit picking about ‘little’ details keeps one bouncing off the trees and never gets one out of the forest. Some people like the trees and don’t want to leave the forest. That’s fine for them. Recognize that by what they say and how they say it. Others want the opposite and to leave the forest. That’s OK too. Different people are driven by what is important to them. ‘Little’ details is ambigious…I know that. What is not ambigious is the time and energy spent to build ‘little’ details.

The comments about people being too focused on money is true. It’s true within every business in America and beyond. Pointing out that Ambit or Ignite or any MLM is corrupted by these people, is myopic and intentionally omitting every other company in America. Can you honestly say that corporate officers, CEOs, people at the bottom working their way up the ladder are not motivated by money? If you do, you need to get out of your home once in awhile or go work for someone else. The point of working is to make money. Don’t so at the expense of others is wrong. Projecting that an entire business is corrupt because of a few people in that company is immature.

If you don’t have a dream, I’ll bet that the person or company you work for does. That’s the difference between poverty and success minded people. It doesn’t have to be about money, it can be the friendships, your life purpose…whatever. But if your dream is to tear down others, you get back what you put into it. It also reveals your heart. We can all crusade for something and very seldom, need to resort to attacks. It’s necessary sometimes, but not most of the time, and should be done the few times with very clear facts, not opinions and assertions. This always reveals the depth, or lack of it in someone’s thinking. I’m guilty of it as well sometimes…it’s all part of maturing. Staying there and never getting beyond it, shows lack of growth.

Negative people very seldom succeed (except in politics). Povery-minded people are too proud to learn something new and re-evalutate their thinking. Sometimes new information confirms what you think, sometimes it makes you question what you think. That’s OK. Both have been demonstrated in this forum.

Many assertions made here have been opinions, not legal precedent or law. That is also very obvious. It is also very interesting to watch people demonstrate their understanding of the laws of leadership (or lack of it). If you’re a leader, and no one is following you…you’re merely taking a walk, and you’re not a leader except in your own mind. That’s what differentiates leadership thinking and action from opinions without legitimate facts. What leader are you and I following. Is anyone following you? If so, why?

I encourage new people to read all of this thread…it’s long. However, everything for the last month has already been addressed…nothing new except the same assertions and opinions.

I monitor to see if anything “new” comes up, but choose to spend my time on positive areas of life. I get out of it what I put into it (just speaking about myself). If it works for you, go for it.

I am just trying to raise awareness of the FACT that a pyramid is a pyramid is a pyramid. It doesn’t matter that you have a product. That is just a cover. PYRAMID GAMES ARE ILLEGAL. Call you local bunco squad and Ask this specific question “Is a Pyramid game an ILLEGAL undertaking”? They will tell you YES> The fact that you derive MOST of your income from recruitment of suckers to play the pyramid makes it a pyramid. I say it again. Your “product” is information. Information that I am willing to GIVE AWAY. So & So will be a better Energy Plan for you if you switch and you can switch for FREE.

Triumphant Success well said!!
And Wayne my site gives Away Free Information thefuture1.info and, yes Wayne people can sign up on there own for free!They can get there own replicated site For Free as well.
Hey Triumphant Success I think you have a site as well don’t you and yours is free to the customers as well!
Wayne keep building them homes maybe someone will buy them if economy comes back but don’t hold your breath gonna be a while:)

Looks like this scam checks off on all 5 so its a scam/pyramid

all of you ‘positive’ non-negative people should consider that a simple website and info like Wayne provides is a lot more positive for people then inducing them to pay you money

(1) get a skill besides being a follower
(2) get morals or some modicum of them to really contribute to this society/world
(3) stop being a bottom feeder praying on people’s ignorance just to assuage your feelings of insecurity seeing people ‘upline’ making more than you
(4) go to school and learn what you are involved in

See you and everyone in the next scam !!
Holla

I spent $100 on a book to learn Excel (the software program) and then $200 for a community college class and now I am making $50/hour doing real consulting work

I have my own business and am considered a consultant. It took effort like all these yahoos state all of their businesses did to recruit more suckers so why not invest in effort with real results?!?!

AMEN. Thanks I appreciate your humanity and the help.

If you don’t have a dream, I bet someone you work for does….

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344532,00.html

“Suckers – Pyramid; get a Job said,in March 31st, 2008 at 7:33 pm I spent $100 on a book to learn Excel (the software program) and then $200 for a community college class and now I am making $50/hour doing real consulting work

I have my own business and am considered a consultant. It took effort like all these yahoos state all of their businesses did to recruit more suckers so why not invest in effort with real results?!?!”

How the heck do you sleep at night when you charge these poor people $50/hour for doing “real” consultant work?? Wow, it’s amazing how you can justify ripping people off yet Ambit offers the oppurtunity to make UNLIMITED income for $399 and were the ones who should have problems sleeping at night??? I think not…. Look in the mirror my friend…Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Quote: “Many years of broad experience in the direct sales field and extensive research led to the identification of five causal and defining characteristics of a compensation plan that clearly separate exploitive MLM/pyramid/chain selling schemes from legitimate sales opportunities”.

I wonder why state attorney general’s don’t seem to have and use this valuable and extensive research.

What is the origin of the information that results in your conclusion? Is this “broad experience” based upon more than 1 person’s experience, or cumulative years across 100′s or 1000′s person years of statistically significant sales, market and business experience as part of a study backed by reliable research methods…or something more relevant to an opinion poll?

It is foolish to blindly accept such information and conclusions without any insight into the source, methods and extent of the study. It could just as easily be just another expression of opinion versus legal fact. It would be interesting to know and verify the source, research and legal scrutiny that helped form and confirm these 5 casual and defining characteristics…and from what time period the study was done. Is this recent data or from the 1980′s and 1990′s?

Thank you for sharing.

your opinion is just that… YOUR opinion.

This “opinion” is from the Harris County District Attorney’s Office….

We routinely investigate promotions that appear to be in violation of our Texas Pyramid laws and we do prosecute pyramid cases. Pyramids are illegal in Texas and most jurisdictions, because they are inherently fraudulent. Generally, a pyramid promotion is just an exchange of money but the law includes any “consideration”. Participants are encouraged or required to pay a consideration and then recruit additional members in a down-line in order to earn a large payout when the later members are recruited. In truth, each new participant has a mathematically smaller chance of recruiting new members than earlier participants had. Inevitably, very quickly, the new participants can’t find enough people to successfully recruit to replace themselves. The promoters (the people who started the scheme or got involved very early) have walked away, taking with them all of the money they have received from gullible participants.

It’s a felony offense in Texas to promote a pyramid. Setting up a pyramid, joining one, or recruiting new members all constitutes illegal pyramiding.

Often pyramid promoters tell recruits that their promotion is not a pyramid and try to distinguish their program from an illegal pyramid. Frequently, promoters will say they have the advice of a lawyer or some law enforcement entity. Many times, these are just lies being told by an unscrupulous promoter to try to lure gullible people into participating. Be warned, it is generally not a defense to prosecution that a promoter or some third party misinformed the participant as to the legality of the scheme.

Why would anyone pay $400 for some books that tell you how to tell others they can switch their electric provider for FREE unless they were told they could go sell cheap books to down-line participants and earn thousands of dollars each month in down-line commissions?

My Opinion?

The quote was “the law takes a common sense view”. It’s pretty obvious you have none.

Having been involved with Amway in the mid 90′s and Nationwide in the Early 00′s I know a small bit about these scams. I am not an expert, but can smell the mess from far away.

I went to a meeting recently to essentially laugh at the idea and see the people there. “The guy” was there, and he had some of his cheerleaders there as well. “The guy” doing the meeting is always so sharp and well polished. He is apparently making money out the arse and seems like an all around good guy. His underlings are around to look kind of average and make you feel like, “Hey, I could do this too”. The script is the same as it ever was. The only real difference is that these guys had a projector and a semi-fancy power point presentation. And they are selling energy, not soap or benefits packages.

The other thing that is the same is that “The guy” is always a seasoned veteran. He has been doing this for years in other mlm’s. He is a professional talker and a professional scammer. They run from one business to the next. This guy was no exception. He said he had been doing mlm’s full time for around 15 years. Sell juice for a couple of years, then sell some soap, then gas cards, then phone service, now some energy. Once the suckers stop signing up, they jump ship. They take as many suckers with them as possible to have under them in the next business and open up shop. I have seen it many times and was reminded of it vividly the other night. As nice as the guy seemed, he was/is a scammer.

For the folks that are signed up and drinking the kool aid that will respond to this… I bust my ass working traditional jobs. You and I both know that it also sucks. It is the reason you are receptive to these scams. Unless you own the company, or hedge fund, or law firm, or energy company, or you will be a piker. A pay check away from being broke. Plain and simple. In this fantastical world of mlm’s you are always only a step away from financial independence. Always only a step away from buying that car on the 98th page of the Rob Report. Only a step away from never being a slave to your alarm clock again. Etc.

Save your money and buy yourself a vacation, a treasury bond, a tree to plant, a new bike, some flowers for your girlfriend, some new brakes for your car, an xbox, a years supply of hot dogs, whatever. $400 dollars is a good amount of cash after taxes. Your dignity and respect for yourself and of your peers is worth far more.

QUACK!

Johnny,
Impressive response. Since you believe your opinion is more accurate and thorough than the PUC commission and Texas law, you should go to the Attorney General and set them straight real quick.

“If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, it’s a duck!”

You should go to a farm and take a look at the white chicken looking creatures out there with web feet. They are called ducks. It’s pretty clear you’ve never seen one.

the future1ambit and powerfromambit illustrate what the Harris Couty District Attorney’s Office said PERFECTLY. The hand writing is on the wall. Don’t be suckered. Oh and power: If it’s chicken to stay away from “business” that patterns itself after a FELONY OFFENSE then count me as one of your chickens.

I got this from the Attorney General of Texas’ website. His name is Greg Abbott. Pay close attention to what is said about Pyramid schemes.

Five Tricks of a Con Artist
If you fell for a scam, chances are it was because a skillful salesperson pushed all the right buttons. Here are five ways that smart sales people – and scam artists – can get you to part with your hard-earned money against your better judgment.

They give you something for nothing

When someone you don’t know well gives you something for nothing, be alert. Be aware of the feeling of obligation that the other person has created in you. Is that person manipulating you into buying or doing something that is not in your best interests?

The offer of a sumptuous dinner or a “free gift” sets you up for a high-pressure sales pitch. Many consumers part with large sums of money that they had not planned because they had accepted something up front.

He makes you like him

Smooth operators spend time up front making themselves likeable to their intended victims. They are often quite heartless in selecting individuals who live alone, cultivating their trust and affection.

Con artists are often attractive. They may use flattery, making their intended victims feel appreciated, listened to, and cared about. These people are often quite good at picking up on people’s interests, beliefs and preferences solely for the purpose of pretending to have these things in common.

If someone is trying to sell you something, or trying to get you to do something, stop and ask yourself how much you like this person. Don’t let it cloud your judgment about the deal. Be aware that the person may have created a good impression very deliberately in order to take advantage of you.

They make you think it’s now or never

This is just about the oldest trick in the book. The seller tells you that an offer is good for a limited time only – it’s the chance of a lifetime, and supplies are limited. Every high-pressure sale is made in an atmosphere of urgency: hurry, don’t wait, don’t think, it’s a golden opportunity, and you would be a fool to miss it. Your natural impulse is to grab the opportunity.

Of course, there are golden opportunities in life, but they are rare, whereas high-pressure sales are depressingly common. Be aware that the appearance of fleeting availability in and of itself will make you feel compelled to buy. Try not to be driven by that feeling. Recognize it for what it is: a feeling deliberately (and easily!) caused by a common sales tactic. The offer is hardly ever the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity the salesperson would like you to think it is.

He says he’s going to make you rich

It is impossible to be prepared for all the different stories cons will make up to explain how you are going to come into a fortune. Lotteries, sweepstakes, investments, business opportunities, government grants and long lost inheritances – we have heard it all. The main thing is, a perfect stranger tempts you with a promise of riches that will make all your problems go away and set your family up on Easy Street forever. He may even ask whether you want cash or a direct deposit in your bank account.

You really, really wish it were true. But the hard reality is that you are going to be the first one to write a check. You will find you need to pay a fee, a cost of wire transfer, insurance, tax or some such thing in advance. Don’t do it! You did not win the contest or the lottery (which, when you think about it, you never even entered), and you are not going to get rich. You are the intended victim of a cruel and costly hoax. And by the way: don’t give him your bank account number “so he can deposit the money.” That’s not really why he wants it.

They make you believe it worked for other people

Word of mouth is an excellent source of information for any consumer. We always recommend that anyone hiring a contractor, for example, should ask for the names of other customers to call for references. However it is important to note that testimonials are only useful if they are from other real, unbiased consumers who can be contacted independently.

A collection of written testimonials provided by the seller (even if it includes real-looking names, addresses and photographs) is another matter. It could be real, but it could be fake. Testimonials and references only count if you can talk to real people independently of the seller.

Also be aware that when you see that other people have accepted something, there is a natural tendency to relax and simply trust their judgment. But if everybody just believes everybody else, you could all be duped together. This often happens with investment frauds.

Pyramid schemes (or “gifting clubs”) are a special case: other “customers” may want you to believe, not because the investment is a good one, but because they need you to join so they can recoup their own investments. They are looking out for themselves, not for you!

The bottom line: he makes you trust him. “Con” is short for confidence. The con artist’s art is making you feel confidence – in him and what he tells you. Con artists get what they want from you by winning your trust and establishing their own credibility in your eyes. They are experts at using your natural impulses and reactions against you.

Nice… (LOL)

BTW Johnny, EXCELLENT work on the research. Keep it up, you’re helping us to keep this interesting, and helping to enlighten every reader.

And powerfromambit… awesome response time in supplying Johnny with the information he requested when he said “Show me a link that says that the TXPUC approved Ambit or Ignite.”

Unfortunately I wouldn’t know where to look to see the Ignite equivalent.

Triumphant Success,
Here is the the TX PUC Approval for Stream Energy, of which Ignite is a marketing arm and wholly owned subsidiary.

http://interchange.puc.state.tx.us/WebApp/Interchange/Documents/30699_4_469869.PDF

Powerfromambit…

You make me want to hang out with you! (lol)

I admire your focus & clear delivery. Maintain your uplifting attitude and inspiration. You’re helping me in ways you cannot know, and you’re inspiring countless others as well.

It’s leaders like you that CREATE leaders.

Something that you might want to watch out for… (if you’re like me and want to help EVERYONE in the world)

There are people in our companies that are being neglected by their up-lines.

I wish that I could create a support line or an uplifting website to help people in our companies to stay on the path to success.

This could be one way that we could rebut the claim that this is a scam; to offer support where people are being neglected.

Any ideas?

WOW!!!

Hey Wayne ol boy.

FACT: A pyramid is an ILLEGAL undertaking.

Prove it HOTSHOT!!!

This porocess of doing business has been vetted by the every Attorney General, the Federal Trade Commission and even the New York Stock Exchange. Excel Communications used this business model very successfully in every state and in fact was one of the youngest companies ever listed to the NYSE. Let me ask you a two part question.

If this is illegal, then why haven’t all the states shut down every direct marketing company out there, and would the NYSE, the most prestegeous exchange in the world let an illegal business come even close to setting foot on their front steps?

A bit of advice for you Wayne….

Mark Twain said…

“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.”

Wayne, you kept giving us the same thing over and over again. Please give us something different to think about, instead of the same old blah…blah..blah.. Please tell me why Ambit is allowed to do business in Texas if your assertion is that Ambit is a pyramid and it’s a felony offense to promote a pyramid in the state of Texas?

The District Attorney said that a Pyramid is a felony. I’d say Wayne has proven that fact heretofore…..

Johnny,
You keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The DA is correct, pyramids are a felony.

However, the only thing that Wayne has done is define a pyramid.

What you and Wayne have failed to do is prove that Ambit and Ignite are illegal pyramids. So far, the Texas AG, Texas Public Utility Commission, ERCOT, and Texas Regulatory Commissioners all do not agree with you and Wayne that these companies are pyramids. You can assert all day long, but the FACT IS, the people who make the law, enforce the law, investigate companies, and prosecute the law, DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR OPINIONS that Ambit and Ignite are pyramids. That’s the core of your arguement. The state legal, legislative and regulatory opposition against you is huge.

You have certainly proven that you have strong negative opinions that you want to voice, but that is all you have proven.

The full burden is now on you to either prove it legally through case law against Ambit or Ignite by the Texas AG, Supreme Court rulings, or something tangible (opinions are worthless), or find another topic to talk about. So far, you have no facts (just opinions) to make your claim that connects Ambit and Ignite to a pyramid.

Also, the very fact that you even asked for proof that the TX PUC certified Ambit and Ignite to sell electricity in Texas shows complete ignorance of Texas energy regulation and the regulatory legal process. Anyone who knows just a little bit about that, would not have asked for proof since they would KNOW that energy is highly regulated by the state of Texas. They would KNOW that scrutiny is at the extreme by the regulators about every company having anything to do about energy BEFORE THEY ARE LICENSED (certified) to participate in the Texas energy market. That was easy public information that you could have found.

So this topic is either dead, or we will patiently wait for your proof. If you offer only more opinions, you will likely receive silence (at least from me).

Thank you gentlemen.

Well…I’ve worked for major corporations in the past. Looking at their struture you could certainly say they are “PATTERNED AFTER” a pyramid. Let’s see, we have a CEO, then a layer of VPs, then a larger layer of Senior Management, then larger layer of Directors, then another larger layer of Managers, then another larger layer of Assistant Managers, then another layer of Supervisors, then another layer of what you would apire us all to be…the workers. Look, we just made another pyramid. Cool!!!!

Boy, it sure does appear that those companies and the people who own them are leveraging the time and efforts of their employees to ahieve their dreams. And guess what, they are not even giving their employees a plan to achive the very same success they aspire to. Now that is a felony.

You sound like Al Gore when you argue. Since I said so, and since I’m right, the debate is over. If you don’t belive me, then just ask me.

Please give some advice. I am new to ambit. What should i do to get more customers? Is it worth it to go to the power trip? Is it true that there is a lot of money in this business? Like in how many months will i see a good income?

Hey Wayne! Do you have a boss? I mean most people have bosses at a job. People have a supervisor that answer to his boss and his boss answer to his boss and his boss answer to the head of the food chain, meaning the CEO or the vice president or to the president. OMG!! is that a pyramid?

Hello 3weeks congrats on your new business! Yes if you can go to the powertrip you will learn alot as well as grow your business. I work my business out of any of the service areas and doing very well determination is the key. You will get what you put in I assure you. If it’s to soon to make it to powertrip start considering the event in September me and my team are focusing on that one. And make it to team calls and meetings if you can you will learn more alot faster and understand how to talk about your business and avoid dream killers like (Wayne Above)Some get it Some don’t Next….
This is a very simple business educating people that they have choices with there energy service providers. And you will meet alot of great people along the way and some you can do without but that’s life in everyday circumstances.
Have a great day!

Yeah make like ducks and get the flock outta hear.. LOL

I have some tips for you.

E-mail me and we’ll set up a dialog.

I’m with Ignite, not Ambit, but it’s the same concept.

Triumphant.Success@Gmail.com

The thing I love about building this business is, and only people in MLM understand this, you find out what everyone’s true colors are. You find out who is a leader, follower, a cry baby, a winner, a loser, trustworthy, weak, strong, negative, positive, hard working, no work ethic, smart, or dumb. This business is the truest form of entrepeneurship in the world. 2% get rich, 20% make a living, 28% pay their bills, and 50% fail. Isn’t that everything in life? Last I checked 2% of the people have 90% of all the wealth. I see people making claims that “only the people in early or at the top make all the money.” It’s the people that work the hardest and the longest and never quit who make all the money. Everyone in Ambit who finds people who talk like the guy who put this forum up, know you are dealing with a negative loser, who is weak and probably has no work ethic and most likely is dumb. If you listen to a guy like this, you are no better then he is. Move on or fail.

The Genie Scam
One day, A man and his wife are playing golf. The man hits a ball and it smashes a window of a nearby house.
The man and his wife go to the house and apologize to the man living there, but he said “no need to apologize. See, I am a genie. And I have been trapped for decades. For freeing me, i will grant you two wishes.”
The man said “well, we are struggling to pay the bills, so i guess we could wish for money”
The woman said “and our house is struggling, so we could wish for a new one”
Then the genie said “I will grant these two wishes…one on conditition! because i have been trapped for so long, i have not experienced love for an eternity. In return for granting these wishes, I request that I sleep with your wife.
After a moment’s discussion, the man finally agreed to allow the genie to sleep with his wife.
While the genie and the man’s wife were upstairs, the genie said “how old is your husband?” The woman replied “He’s 36”. The genie then said “And he still believes in genies? That’s amazing!!”

We knew it would happen! Ambit is awesome!

Johnny, read the post above yours. You are the husband. You are the negative loser, who is weak, probably has no work ethic, and most likely is dumb. The best part is, the people in Ambit spend time here to protect what they believe in and get paid. The others, who aren’t in Ambit, waste somebody elses time, like their boss, trying to stop the inevitable. Have fun watching Ambit reach the Wall Street Journal, Fortune Magazine, and Forbes in there quest to be the fastest growing company in American history. It’s going to happen, watch it. After all, that is probably what you are best at, watching.

I’m here to bring some good news. I literally just got back from the 1st ever Power Train conference in Queens, NY. I met Brian McClure, Carlos Marin and a couple of other people.

Besides the fact that it was truly one of the most motivating experiences ever….they announced that Illinois was cleared as of last night!!!!

I’m so excited right now I can hardly speak and I truly understand the business better than ever! It can be so easy!!

I’ll leave my number again if anyone wants to contact me about this.

Take care,

Laura

914-864-2510

Johnny- You obviously have NO knowledge of our comp plan or business model.
No one gets paid till customers are gathered. Ambit is a REP in the state of texas.
Retail Electric Provider. They want customers and they gather them through relationship based marketing.

My customers get better rates due to a patent infrastructure that is SUPER Efficient and a great marketing plan(No wasted money on advertising,no sales department and no advertising department). They get a Free Hotel voucher for simply trying the service(No Contract Required) and for being LOYAL they get reward points to turn in on Free Cruises and Vacations. Can you please explain to me how this is BAD????? I would love to hear this.

They get a more personable service and ALOT better customer service than the traditional scripted customer service from others.
In Ambit’s comp plan you can literally PASS the person that signed you.

Ambit pays out the whole $399.00 and MORE usually if customers are gathered within the time required. 2 customers within 28 days(Your kidding right?)
The C.E.O of the company is explained with one word. INTEGRITY!!!!!

PowerTrip 2008 is going to be great. If you havent been then you HAVE to attend. It is that good. You have to invest in your business to be successful.
How many OTHER companies do you know that you have a Q&A with the CEO and CMO? Slim to None. Most people in america (Probally 70% or better) never even MEET the CEO or CMO.

Keep your heads up fellow Ambit Consultants and Ignite Directors. Your dream is yours and dont let anyone take it away from you.

To your success,
MrAmbitdotcom

Question I’m still baffled how you guys feel that you went into business and that you are doing all this hard work. You need to talk to people that started a business from the ground up. Took the risk set up a business plan borrowed the money found packers and etc. It’s so funny listening to you guys. I wish you guys luck. Read and see who owns this web site.

tustool, it is easy. Most people make it hard. It is a lot of work to build though. To say otherwise, means you haven’t worked it.

Jimmy Mac, we are selling electricity and natural gas. MORON. The flow will only stop if we were somehow to saturate the market, which will never happen. If it did, then we still have many more years ahead of us to get very rich. More people turn 18 in the U.S. every year then there are network marketers worldwide. The sucker, is the guy who doesn’t do anything in this business or dismisses it as a “pyramid scheme.” If you call it a pyramid, you have never truly heard of one and how it works.

Gather all the ‘customers’ you want. In a real buiness, you’re not paid until your ‘customers’ actually purchase something! But, since no one in there right mind would build a company or let alone join one and not get paid, Ambit concocted a compensation plan that shuffles funds to the upline soley on the preceived notion that if and when gas is available, the customers have ‘promised’ to buy?!? People are being paid for promises now? That alone is why serious networkers have or should turn their backs, run for the door with thier hands on their wallets. Find a company that has mulitple product lines to offer, all in multi-billion dollar markets and you’ll have a greater chance of long term success.

The debate lives on.

As of now, people in your company, in Illinois, are being paid commissions just for signing people up as distributors. No one in Illinois is using your gas. That means no product or service is being sold to an end consumer, yet reps are still being paid. There are other companies out there that pay what they call a ‘Fast Start’ bonus when someone enrolls in a commpany, however, they are being compensated on the sale of a product or a kit of products. Whether it’s sold to a new distributor or to a customer, product it being sold. Your company is just exchanging money for sponsoring because future customers ‘promise’ to buy the gas if and when Illinois ever says they can. I’m not going to argue the legality. I just don’t believe it is an ethical propositon. To pay a commission just for sponsoring comes across like a chain letter. Sending your money to the person at the top for not selling/getting/doing anything and that’s what is happening every day. No product or service of any kind is being sold to an end consumer to cause a commission check to be generated.

Another disadvantage I see to the program is that you are undercutting the competition. You’re selling either electricity or natural gas (the same stuff we’re all getting now) but at a CHEAPER price. Herein lies the problem. Your gas and electricity isn’t of any higher quality than the gas and electricity the public is currently getting. You’re gas isn’t going to burn any cleaner or boil water any faster and your electricity isn’t going to make our homes any warmer. Its the same, just cheaper.

Now, there are a lot of home-based companies out there selling a lot of different kinds of products that you could perhaps buy cheaper in stores. However, products from these companies are usually of a much higher quality and therfore command a HIGHER price, and, in most cases, is usually unique to that company alone. Higher quality and the fact that they can’t get it anywhere else keeps the customers coming back month after month to those companies. Higher prices (not lower) generate higher profits for the company and higher commission checks for the distributors in the field.

I’m glad you saved the $20. However, that means there is now just that much less money on the electric bill to be compensated on, doesn’t it? On top of that, once you have your customer on board using your utility, what else do you have to sell to them? I believe the answer would be, nothing. Unfortunately, your ‘customer’ is going to purchase everything else they use on a daily basis online from someone else. This means you have to go get more customers intead of increasing your customer share. It makes far more sense to manage 10 to 15 customers who buy their health & nutritional products, (multi-billion dollar industry) cosmetics (multi-billion dollar industry), home and/or cell phone service (trillion dollar industry), pet products ($44 billion was spent on pets in the U.S. last year alone) anti-aging and nutriceuticals, etc., things they purchase every month, plus get a piece of the action every time they shop online at websites like Best Buy, Walmart, Kohl’s, Nordstroms, Seare’s or any of the other 2500 partner stores such as these.

Imagine the stagging amount of income from all of that. By leveraging more than just one or two products, you stand a far better chance of creating a long term, highly profitable and a stable, residual income for life. I wish you well.

The debate lives on.

Hi again “been there and done that”,

I really didn’t want to get into the debate so much but some of your statements need a rebuttal.

First of all, you talk about the companies that sell higher priced items and are of better quality. You have to know that is completely untrue. Come on, some of the generic products you buy in your grocery store have the exact same ingredients as the higher priced items with a brand name. You can purchase drinks with acai berries and pomegranate anywhere as well as some of the best moisturizers/wrinkle creams, vitamins etc, at Target prices.

The other point you made I have to dispute as well. You said Ambit is undercutting the competition’s prices. Isn’t that the whole point of deregulation? That is why ATT is probably not your phone company anymore. Deregulation has occurred because the federal government is giving opportunity to “capitalists” to encourage free enterprise.

I believe that is what our country is based on.

The debate lives on???

Take care,

Laura

Laura, as for the quality of the products carried by the companies in question, some of those companies have been in business for some 20 to 40 years longer than those places with Target prices. Therefore, their products must be of better quality or nobody would have been buying them for all those years and those companies would have gone out of business years ago. That takes care of the ‘untrue’ statement. The ‘generic’ products you mentioned are just that…generic…as is your gas and electricity. Nothing special about either of them, just a little cheaper price. You are correct; AT&T isn’t my long distance carrier. As with all utilities, changes will come along a dictate a paradym shift just as cell phones took away the long distance companies, and now VOIP is cutting into the cell phone profits, something else will come along and change the way people get the same gas and electric service they were getting anyway. Whether Con Ed does something extreme or Ignite or other companies come along, it will affect your buiness. Its inevitable since neither are unique item, and you only have one or two products to offer depending on where you live.

As for Michael’s comments, it doesn’t sound like you’re in Illinois, because if you were and you have been paid a commission check, you were paid for nothing more than recruiting. Nobody has bought any gas in Illinois. They have only promised to buy. So what if you got people to sign up as customers. Have they bought anything yet. No. Was a commssion earned? definately not. That is the exact same thing as if you were a car salesman who was paid on Friday because a customer ‘promised’ to come in a buy a car next month. Verified or not, c’mon, who does that? As for the other comment, okay, you got their electricity. Great. Those same people who now get to save a few bucks on their electric bill each month spend that money and far more than that on a ton of other things that, if you had a business that offered all of those things, you would make far more sales/commissions…and these are things that you don’t have to get them to buy every month. They already do, just like utilities.

Folks, I commend you for attempting to change your lives by thinking outside the box. Most people never will. However, if you’re going to invest your time, invest it where you’ll make the most money. Its like you have a million dollars in the bank and your settling for a 5% interest return when you could be getting a 60% interest return for that same million dollars. Utility bills are just a drop in the bucket of what people spend every month. Why not get the whole bucket?

The debate lives on.

Hi BeenThere,
Sorry, but you really haven’t done your homework here. No, I don’t live in Illinois. In fact, there are no Illinois customers yet. All the customers are from Texas and New York. We are only getting paid on the energy use from those customers. The ones that actually use the electricity. I am really sorry that you don’t believe our customers are verified. Yes, they all get verified. We have even had customers fail the verification process. (sometimes they forget they are locked into contract with another provider)

I can tell you, I’ve “beenthere” with those vitamin companies, seen great products before they hit mainstream. Trying to convince others to take an “non-brand name” product was extremely difficult. If you did get someone to try it, you had to basically hound them every month.

With this program, I have 25 customers in the short time I’ve been involved. (probably more than in all the vitamin programs combined)

Guess what, I don’t have to hound them, they will use electricity month after month. Don’t you? I will get paid on a one time effort rather than a month after month effort.

Michael

Hey BeenThere,
You had better watch out, I think your neighbor might try and sell you the Brooklyn Bridge next. I bet he always catches the biggest fish too. LOL

Been there,

You may be right about that because your neighbor is being paid by building his organization. I don’t believe he can be paid on customers who sign with Ambit in the Pre-launch for Illinois but I may very well be wrong.

I just don’t understand your argument. What is wrong with pre-building an organization and gathering customers who want to pay less for their energy bills?

I said before, its all about free enterprise, team building, entrepreneurship, etc and what makes our country great.

Why do you have a problem with that? I am thankful I heard about Ambit as are my customers and consultants.

Being angry and negative only comes back to you.

Laura

BeenThereDoneThat…sir, I strongly suggest that rather than venting to this forum about what your neighbor tells you…perhaps sir, you can have him show you the evidence that he was paid for Illinois customers. Facts are facts. You might have been misled. Facts are backed up by more that what people say to us. I know you know that.

Congrats on your large organization…I trust people at their word also, so I won’t ask for proof.

The argument is what it was all along. Recruitment is where the money is. That is why it is a pyramid. Legitimate business does not rely on recruitment of “sales people” to feed the pyramid. Legitimate business relies on sales of products and PROFIT to feed the sales people. It’s been said before but it is so true and worth repeating. YOU WON’T MAKE MINIMUM WAGE IF YOU JUST GET ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS. You have to recruit sales suckers to make money.

Jimmy Mac,
What percentage of sales of products versus “other services” are valid in your mind for any business to generate profits?

To be specific, please state:
Product Sales >= xx%
Other services will be the remainder

State this for corporate America where you believe everything is legitimate.

We’ll test your knowledge of “legitimate” business.

One other aspect of a pyramid scheme is that “someone lower than you cannot make more money than someone above, the money always rolls up to the top”

This is another reason why Ambit is clearly not in this catagory. I’ve already had 2 consultants below me earn more than me.

Companies like Amway, Shacklee, Avon, Tupperware, Mary Kay have been around for years, there is no reason why Ambit can’t join them in longevity.

When a corporation grows and managers are promoted; they are usually given the task of hiring the new employees that will fulfill the corporations growing needs.

Take where I work. There are over 100,000 employees. When ever they create a new business unit they promote managers from within and allow them to hire new employees as they please. This is to fill the needs of the NEW business unit. You know the one that didn’t exist before. It’s called GROWTH.

Now just like corporations, network marketing companies also have GROWTH, and just like corporations they need more and more people to work for them.

There is no difference. The only difference is that you can go hire as many people as you want in network marketing, and you can’t in corporate america. Not everyone has the skill set or the education to make it on a corporate level.

Nowhere else can an average person create wealth with a < $300 investment regardless of education level or class.

It’s hard to see when you have tried and failed. There are a lot of average and outright bad companies out there. Boy what a difference a REAL network marketing company makes ! Especially one with more than 2 services or a single product.

To anyone out there who has tried and failed. Don’t give up, try again. Learn from your mistakes and stop chasing people and let them chase you.

Hack

There is a difference between “hiring” a team and selling jobs to a “team”…..

Jimmy Mac,
Still waiting for your answer about how much percentage of total revenue a legitimate company in America can from product sales versus ‘other’.

There are a lot of different businesses and business models in corporate America to think about.

Thank you in advance for sharing your answer.

Absolutely correct…I have a position and if you take the time to read my posts, I back them up with facts and widely accepted business knowledge.

Why are you afraid to do the same for your position?

If the best you can do to avoid answering a simple business question is to resort to name calling, this thread is dead.

But just in case, here is a softball business question for you, if you care to reconsider:

You said in response to Hack on April 29th: “So, what you are telling me Hack that in corporate America, a kid goes out here to get a job that pay $1 an hour BUT before that kid can become employed, he has to pay $100 to become an employee and start selling widgets. That is called GROWTH? I’d call it something else.”

Question to you sir – how then do you explain franchising? They pay a fee to start a business. Franchisers recruit people to start a franchise. Franchise owners pay the same fee for each business if they choose to operate multiple franchises. Worse yet, they have to also pay a percentage of their revenue to the franchiser. According to you, that is not a legitimate business either.

Which is it, and why?

The law says:

If the seller makes representations about sales or earnings potential, he or she must disclose both the total number of people participating in the business opportunity for the past three years and the total number of people who have actually achieved the represented sales or earnings within the past three years.

The burden of proof is upon you not I…..

Yet more:

Under the Texas Business Opportunity Act, the seller must provide you with the following information at least 10 days before you sign a contract or turn over any money to the seller:

The names and addresses of all persons affiliated with the seller in this particular business;
A copy of a current financial statement of the seller;
A complete description of the actual services the seller agrees to perform for the purchaser;
If training is promised, a complete description of the training, length of training, and cost of travel or lodging during the training;
If services are promised in connection with placement of equipment or products, the full nature of the services and the nature of agreements to be made with the owners or managers of business locations;
If the seller or his or her representatives have been adjudged bankrupt or have been subject to a judgment in a civil suit involving fraud or embezzlement during the past seven years, he or she must tell you;

Jimmy Mac.
As you said “More law: Pay particular attention to the first sentence.

For an MLM plan to be legal, you MUST earn more from sales of products than from introducing others to join.”

That first sentence is very important. Since you declare that Ambit Energy is illegal, they must be violating this first sentence.

What percentage of income is Ambit getting from introducing others to join? If I understand your point, it has to be over 50% to trigger this violation.

If you would be so kind, can you confirm that it is over 50%? You have me really curious on this one.

Ambit is approved in Illinois by the ICC. There is no more licensing needed. The ICC voted unanimously today to allow Ambit to do business in Illinois. It will be up on the ICC site tomorrow or Monday. Stayed tuned Ambit reps, for the announcements. I hear training is the 17th at O’hare.

GREAT Attitude. Care about your fellow man doa you?

Update. Ambit is still in business and they have not been shut down even with all the due diligence from this thread.

I now have 120 consultants and 254 customers and continue to grow everyday.

I get numerous phone calls from this thread, even from people not in my down line. Also have recruited 6 people from this site.

For all of you negative people keep posting you are helping my business!!!!

My offer still stands show me a better MLM company and I will move my 120 consultants and 254 customers to your company.

Mike
314-259-1276

Do you all honestly think that Shell Oil( the 3rd largest company in the world) would partner with Ambit Energy if it were a pyramid or a scam????… Educate yourself people!! Ambit is first class….

I understand that some of the Ambit Reps may not be educated enough to make the right decisions to persue this business properly and with integrity but there are “unscrupulous” folks everywhere, infact, MLMs generate well over 100 Billion dollars/year globally could you imagine what it will be like in the next few years? With that said Dr New Texan these reps are not Ambit the company, they are a bunch of over zealous “kids” who are chasing after the next thing.
Being frugal is a good thing especially when you can save some money legally- so go for it, find a good Ambit rep who has OTHERS interests at heart and do business with him or her.
I have a Verizon phone, I went to the mall recently and wanted my numbers transferred from an old unit to a new one.
I did not even know that Verizon, AT&T, BOA, and all the Billion $ companies out there are also MLMs, by the way, do you use any of the big boys like Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, Citibank, BOA etc They derive at least 60-75% of their business income from the Network Marketing Model; back to my story, so I went up to Mr Verizon and he decides to charge me $50. Now, I was told by Verizon (the company) that most dealers do not charge and if they did it will be a nominal fee like $10. or so. Key question; Is Verizon a scam or are they thieves? Did I hear a resounding NO? …They are not its just one dealer or franchisee trying to rip me off. Can I honestly say that Verizon is a scam? No its just one person, all I had to do was find another dealer who was willing to do it for free or for the $10. which is what I did, and I was able to get my numbers transferred without much fuss or incident so Dr New Texan, if you like the prices you see, you do not have to join. Just find a rep who has your interests at heart and give him/her the business, they are the ones that deserve it, you will be glad you did.
This is what you are doing right now, “you are cutting off your nose to spoil your face” you are purposely hurting yourself by paying more just because you do not like what some of the reps are doing. Get over it Doc, spend more time on Patient care and leave the quacking to the MLMers. If not, dont spread propergander, my mom always said, “if you cant say something good about someone remain silent”

Live Well
CJ

The guy who wrote the article obviously was not successful with Ambit or any other MLM business. He probably should stick to a traditional business model and be the employee moving the widgets.
As in any business it takes hard work to be successful and Ambit is no different. Ambit Energy is a great company with outstanding leaders putting intergrity first.

Thank you New Texan. I was approached by a good friend wanting me to sign up. She was really excited about this Ambit Energy opportunity as they promised her she would make millions and she wanted me to get in before it was too late etc..I told her to test the waters and let me know. She got upset with me when I told her that but that’s just the way she is. I told her that it sounded like a pyramid scheme and she insisted they told her it was not because they were actually selling a product. Well she only gets the good money off of signing on new reps. I told her I wanted to be in a business that left me with a feeling of being fullfilled. Like I’m helping someone. I sell Avon and am very happy with that business. I love helping people feel beautiful about themselves and Avon gives back to many different things around the world to help people. That I feel good about. Believe me this is NOT the only business out there that could make you rich. Find what feels good to you and go for it. If I have to sign people up with Ambit and not even know what I’m getting myself into just to make money that’s not for me. Why would you want to string others along for the ride? Build your business by allowing consumers to save money on their bills (only) and then tell me how successful you are….

Read the ruling of the State of Illinois regarding Ambit’s application and approval for permission to sell gas energy. If i read this correctly, and if this ruling becomes a precedent for future State approvals, the marketing model has been significantly altered.

Also, note guaranteed savings to consumer’s annual bill…..do the math.

make your own opinions but this is not what Ambit promised to all of its minions.

Hey Jimmy Mac,
Stop misusing what I said, If you are going to quote me, please do it in its entirety, I mentioned that there are unscrupulous folks everywhere, they are in Citibank, BOA, The Government, everywhere, does that mean that all these agencies and the government is a scam or felonious? There are also untrained folks everywhere in business, I see it very often in stores and other places of business, I even witnissed it at the IRS recently, so get your act together, currently you are untrained in Home-based MLMs and you are offering “expert” advise on it, this is interesting. Please, I beg you, show me where in the LAW it is a felony to have a legal home-based business. I am not even with Ambit, but I just hate jerks and losers like you who have a close mind, never even looked at the business model and spilling verbal diarrhea all over the web, please stop it! Look at the model, not to join, but for correct information before you make all these false, outlandish comments. I also indicated that anyone can look for a person who has others interests at heart and do business with them; how come you didn’t quote that? You are so typical of the American Media, always quoting tidbits out of context and putting it in a negative manner. Why dont you look for another post where you can actually be the expert. Find another thread especially in your field and give valuable advice so that others can be blessed by your knowledge and so you can become a contributing member of society. This will be my last post. I have better things to do with my time than to be constantly answering losers who continually chose to live paycheck to paycheck in the richest country in the world. Everyone wants to come to America because of the opportunity here. When was the last time you saw folks getting on a boat trying to paddle their way to Haiti? The sad thing is that folks like you have opportunity all around you but you are too lazy to even get up and make your life better, late on your promises to you family, you bills are piling up and you cant live the life you are destined to live because of your own narrow thought process. Do you travel to foreign countries? do you read the bible and attend regular church services? do you make regular contributions to charities? do you help others in need every week, month, year? Do you try to make a huge difference in others in your community? Do you look at life from someone else’s point of view? can you safely say you are a catalyst for upward positive change, have you looked at the economy today with all the folks losing their jobs and tried to figure out a way to start helping at least some of the folks out there? They too have families who depend on them financially. when was the last time you took the time to help an elderly person prepare a meal, do their dishes, cut their lawn or some other house work in your family or community?
Think on these things, unless you are making a difference in the lives of others you are wasting your own life.

Realitysucks, you are absolutely wrong. Nothing changed for the people in Illinois, NOTHING. I have been with Ambit since November and they haven’t changed anything in Illinois. Like you said, “If I understand this correctly…” You don’t, nothing has changed.

cojoe, I don’t have the patience to read above about what you may have said. There should be no unscrupulous behavior going on in Ambit. Some people speak with little knowledge about the subject, but that has to do with the person not following the system. If that is the case he will most likely fail or get the right info and pass on the correct info later when he/she learns it themself. Ambit realizes this problem, that is why they are setting up Ambit University training, which will eventually be a weekly event in every service area, to make sure that everyone has the right information. When someone goes to sign up as a consultant, in the not too distant future, they will be asked to set up a time to go to the training and learn exactly how everything is done. Right now, the trainings are already starting to go on and they are free. In the future they will charge a small fee to go.

This site is an open forum where many people will stumble on if they are “researching” Ambit. The best info about Ambit is on the corporate websites. All of these forums are for people who don’t trust the person that approached them about the opportunity and/or for those people to vent there frustration with the structure. MLM isn’t for everyone, but I think Ambit is for more people then any other MLM is. We don’t sell anything. All we do is save people money over the incumbant provider and give travel rewards. We aren’t like other MLM’s in that the consultants don’t need to give you a feature/benefit on how our product is better then the other guy’s. I don’t need to explain why you need natural gas or electricity.

This business model is simple, get two customers, show others to do the same thing. It isn’t EASY. It takes hard work and consistency. If you never quit or give up, then it will work. For some people it is easier then for others. Some people already are very trusted or proven entrepeneurs and it comes easier for them. For others, maybe they aren’t as trusted by the people around them. Maybe they don’t do well in life compared to the people they know, in that case those people will have it tougher. You don’t ask “Why?” it’s harder for you or someone else. You just never quit and keep working at it and it will work out for you.

The problem with people is, people naturally think, “well it’s only $400,” and they think of the business as an investment. It isn’t an investment, it’s a business. If you don’t work the business, it isn’t the company’s fault. Trust me, they pay you when they are supposed to. They pay you when you do the simple business structure.

Everyone who is negative on this forum is going off the info they got from 1 of probably 30,000 reps. Don’t let the negative info from 1 rep or opinion be your deciding factor of this business. Especially when it is on a forum where usually all of the negative people congregate.

I promise that most people who sign up with Ambit, however, sign up because they have a trust level with the person who showed the business and Ambit delivers every single time the person who signs up does what they are supposed to.

it does sound wierd…too much of the typical, secrecy about how much people are making and what the product is…too much generalization about the business…the presentation seemed too choreographed as the first speaker read right from the slides without offering specifics (and she was a former teacher)…but what bothered me the most was when some of these upperlevel consultants in attendance started shouting like a baptist church ceremony (just replace hallelujah with “yesses” and “that’s right”)…then i was finally disturbed to find out that the primary speaker and high consultant was a religious figure in the community as he was referred to “pastor” many times by these other “players”…it almost gave me a “jim jones” eerie feeling…so forget logic or educated analysis or any of the other evidence of appearing to be a pyramid business…i am trusting my “gut feeling” on this one and choosing not to get into this….my advice to others: dont quit your day job

Jimmy Mac, I assure you we have a product. We don’t sell anything in that what we sell is what you already purchase. Do I know to convince you that saving money is a good thing? Say your best friend did this. Do you like your natural gas company more then your best friend? Would it hurt you to be a customer? Absolutely not, therefore we don’t sell anything.

Weird, just because you happened to go to 1 meeting, when over a hundred corporate sponsored meetings are going on a week and you saw a pastor there has nothing to do with anything. The internet presentation is as good as it gets, of course it’s choreographed. Everything you really need to know is on it, you think they would wing that? BTW, I did quit my day job and enjoyed watching 60 consultants join my business today, while all I did was take phone calls and hang out with a group of friends, while in my pajamas.

I hate to break it to chronic negative posters on here like Jimmy Mac and the guy who wrote the article, but Ambit is going to grow and grow and grow and they don’t need you to do it. This forum means nothing. Do you guys realize that we are doing exactly what the 2nd fastest growing company in American history did, but with a product that is ten times more expensive and way more of a irreplacable necessity? There will be books written about this company and how it grew. I strongly believe and am almost certain we will reach $1 billion faster then Google did.

It is apparent that everyone who is negative against companies like Ambit and or Ignite, has a bad taste about mlm. Mlm’s work if you follow the business model and program from the moment you start. 96% of the people who fail in mlm’s say it doesn’t work. The other 4% say what really happened which is either they did not do anything after they go into it or they did not do what they were supposed to do. To which I agree more with the first part of this last sentence. Also remember, I’m pretty sure when whoever walked in to the open meeting already thinking the opposite and negative of the purpose of it, has already 2 strikes against them. If the person is a negative about anything, then I don’t want them to even be part of what I am a part of. Everyone always asks what I do to have what I have. So I show them. After my start up cost was met, I donated my next 2 checks. One was to local children’s center and the other to a church that had helped me once when I was down at one time in my life. Many of you will not experience what I have. Being completely broke one moment and after I have worked hard, I now can help the less fortunate in some way. Yes, I still work my day job and I intend to even if I’m making more doing Ambit, however, there is a funny acronym about JOB. J.O.B. is nothing more than Just Over Broke.

I still don’t fully understand why anyone puts some of these posts on here if you don’t like ambit it isn’t your problem and the same with the people with ambit. I know my fuel oil company which sells Exxon products just send out info on purchasing electric from exxonmobil

I love all the negativity on this site! All the naysayers can keep spewing your negative comments and I will continue to grow my Ambit business.

Since IL officially opened I am at 145 consultants and 335 customers and growing everyday!!!

I started Jan. 18 this year. Most of the people that post here could not build a sand castle on a beach let alone try to build a business.

Will keep everyone posted on my success with Ambit and as always I will post my phone number for those of you who want to try to convert me to a juice company.

Mike

618-208-1559

The people who post positive comments about MLM’s are merely looking out for their own interests. They are suckers who try to sell the scam on other sucker. To make a negative statement is to cut your nose off to spite your face. Would P. T. Barnum admit that Tom Thumb was only 5 years old and 25 inches tall when he had billed him as 11 yrs old and 23 inches tall? Why should he? He had perfect reason to say “There’s a sucker born every minute”. That is the one thing P. T. Barnum said in his lifetime that is TOTALLY believable.
Those on here who tell you they are making lots of money are the P. T. Barnums of the 21st century on a much smaller scale. They are trying to reap their losses. Do yourself a real favor and don’t be a victim.

“The easiest rationalization for the refusal to seek the truth is the denial that truth exists.”

Watch how the positive commentors twist this statement to attack me. Sure as I’m sitting here, they will adopt that statement as their own….

I will tell who I don’t work for…..
I don’t work for ANY Energy company.

Here is a list of companies, certified by the State of Illinois, that offer natural gas and electricity in Illiois and some have been doing so for over 6 years. Those companies already have customers not paying NICOR prices.

Remember the first rule of Network Marketing? You must have a unique & consumable product in order to have a stable, long term income. Gas is consumable, however, it is not unique to any one company.

If you cannot open the link below by copying and pasting it to your browser, just Google ‘alternate gas suppliers in Illinois’ and it is the first entry as of today.

http://www.icc.illinois.gov/downloads/public/ci/LIST%20OF%20CERTIFIED%20ALTERNATIVE%20GAS%20SUPPLIERS.doc

In response to “BeenThereDoneThat’s” link. I promise that if you call any of those companies, none of them guarantee to be cheaper then Nicor, except Ambit. Most of them are more expensive then Nicor and prey on people preaching that natural gas prices are going up and that the consumer should lock in a price. I know people that have fallen into that scam and some are paying $.40 more per therm then Nicor, which is slightly more then 40% more. Ambit forever will be cheaper, give travel rewards, and does not lock people into contracts in Illinois. What’s the problem? Why do people get on here and make harmful statements to a company doing no harm? Just as the guy above stated, blame the company, not yourself, for doing nothing or giving up and wondering why it doesn’t work.

The company compensates people for gathering distribution points. They also pay a residual on the customers gathered by the distribution points. They don’t want you, “pyramidsarescams,” to be a customer gathering machines. They want loyal customers and to make the company availability as close as a friend or family member. You are supposed to gather customers, people you know, love, and that trust you. Then help others do the same thing. That’s it. If someone doesn’t want to do this business or be a customer, fine, I won’t convince them differently. I’ll just find someone else who does want to be a part of it. If someone I find decides to do the business and sign up and doesn’t do anything, whose fault is that?
If you don’t want to do the plan Ambit has, move on then. Ambit won’t miss you, I promise.
Excel Communications in the long distance industry kept customers 3.5 times longer then MCI, Sprint, and AT&T, the reason was they gathered loyal customers. Do your research on the growth of that company and understand how small it truly is going to be to Ambit. If you want to be a customer gatherer, open your own energy company.
I don’t think I need to answer the dumb question that “I have to prove we have a product,” but the product is aparent when you switch your service and the name “Ambit” shows up on your bill. The Attorney General of Illinois and the ICC have both approved this company to do business in Illinois and the equivalent has happened in TX and NY. Those are the only places they have chosen to apply for gas thus far. I think the AG and ICC know more about pyramid schemes then you do.
MLM’s work for a lot of people, because you can’t see yourself doing it or you aren’t capable, doesn’t make MLM’s this all evil thing. OK, fine, it’s not for you. Why sit here and dwell on it? I know why I do, I get paid by this company, very well, for what I do. This, here, is activity, however, not productivity for the company.

Are you saying we don’t supply natural gas and electricity? That is a product right? What do they pay me for? The Illinois Commerce Commission disagrees, as does ERCOT in TX and the PUC in NY. Here is the link that shows Illinois disagrees:

http://www.icc.illinois.gov/docket/CaseDetails.aspx?no=08-220

You don’t have to get involved, Ambit won’t miss you, so why are you wasting time on a website talking trash about it?

“I spend, therefore I am.”
-Rene Deshoppingcartes

Sit down and draw a pyramid taking into account the $400 dollar riders. After you have drawn yourself into the bottom of a “downline” then drawn your self some riders. When you have a few riders and you have your money back (hypothetically) then get a few more riders. NOW you are doing the math. Look and see how many riders it takes to jump on the pyramid to advance your position to the second level. It’s a lot, isn’t it? It only gets bigger and harder to recruit the suckers (riders). It’s been said before. Every time someone joins the pyramid they stand a mathematically smaller chance of being successful at the recruitment of new suckers. It’s also been said that the residual income in this thing is next to worthless. That is why they want you to become a representative. It’s not that hard to see the truth if you really look. This is a math problem folks. To reach the 4th or 5th or 6th level in a pyramid is an astronomical undertaking not to mention the people who get hurt along the way. Try the numbers. You will find some truth there. You won’t find it at an Ambit “meeting”.

You gotta get in early. Those people are already there. They want you because they make money from YOU (not electricity). Are you in early enough? They won’t tell you. They will give you the mumbo jumbo about “getting in early”. Do the math! A pyramid is destined to fail especially where there is so much competition. The people at the top of the pyramid don’t care about the people at the bottom. After all, they told you what the deal was. I add, That still doesn’t make it right! When the pyramid collapses, the people at the top will walk away with everyone’s money. They will then create a new pyramid “company”. I have to hand it to them. They are getting smarter. They are forming companies now with information for products. E.G. You can save money if you switch to XXXX brand of Electricity. The information is FREE in Texas. It’s in the upper left hand corner of this page. Does this change the pyramid? NO.

IF you still want to join a pyramid after doing the math then read this sentence aloud in front of a room full of people.

“I AM WE TODD IT”

Ruben: This is NO networking. This is a pyramid SCAM.

Wommy, obviously you aren’t in MLM. MLMers don’t bash other MLM’s. It makes you look bad. Also, if you are going to talk trash about Excel, at least get your numbers straight, it was far from $600. Ambit pays the people that make a difference, everybody who signs up and thinks it will happen for them is mistaken. I have been doing this 7 months, have recruited 20 personally and have over 800 reps. I make five figures a month and trust me I am not working too hard. I answer my phone, that’s it. My residual check is almost $2500. Not bad guaranteed money for my part time job with long term residual.
Now will everyone get to this point or beyond, NO. The ones who get to work and don’t give up will. Also, the people I brought in either did nothing and blame themselves or are working it heavily with me and thanking me for getting them involved.

OH another thought…. Did you do the MATH yet? Do you see how anyone could recruit 20 reps personally and have 800 reps “under him”??? Draw THAT pyramid! Picture YOURSELF at the bottom of that pile. Know this. As a pyramid gets larger, the riders stand a mathematically smaller chance of being successful in scamming others to become $399 riders. Collect those residual Electric sales checks though. I hear they are a few bucks here and there. Get a few Electric customers and it might buy you a hamburger or quite possibly a gallon of gasoline to drive to another meeting.

MLM schemes are as good or as bad as the people involved. Ambit is relatively new and with no track record in Illinois. I think I will keep them at arms length and sit back and watch. I know some Ambit reps. Some I trust, others, the jury is still out. The jury in my mind is still out on Ambit. In the mean time I will hold onto my $399. I’ll put it into a money market at ING in the meantime. It won’t blossom into serious cash, but I won’t lose it either. Millionaires are in a minority for a reason.

Information that is FREE to the public IS NOT a product period.

The information on where to get the cheapest electricity is in the upper left corner of this page. Your job is not to sell electricity. Your job is to sell this scam to other suckers. Thast is not where the bulk of the income to be made is. You know this. The residual off of electricity sales is pennies. You are not getting commission from sales per Kilowatt. You know this. You know what you are selling. Not admitting it just adds to your dishonesty. “Fake it till you make it”.
IF the “average” is 40 reps, then you are below average but the people under you are average. I guess they just worked harder than you???
Obviously you are a product of the modern world. People lived before electricity if you did not know. Call me and idiot. I don’t care. It does not bother me in the least. I am not “your average” idiot.

Yep, He’s right. If you were average you would have 1600 reps under you so just what level are you on? LMAO

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses … If you’re involved with Ambit then good for you. If you’re not then stop knocking it. Why do you care about putting down a company that you have no affiliation with anyway? It doesn’t effect you in any way. It’s real obvious that stealing someones’ dream makes you feel good because you don’t have the work ethic to make it work for you. If you look at the Ambit Comp Plan it says that if you do X, Y, and Z then you get paid A, B and C. Folks there is no gray area there. Like the good folks at Nike say, “Just do it”.

Jimmy Mac was asked earlier for his proof. So far, nothing has been delivered.

We’re still waiting for his or anyone else’s proof that Ambit fits the legal definition of an illegal pyramid…specifically, Jimmy Mac quoted that an illegal pyramid generates more than 50% of their income from recruits.

Here is my question and response with Jimmy Mac’s quote.
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powerfromambit said,
in May 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pm

Jimmy Mac.
As you said “More law: Pay particular attention to the first sentence.

For an MLM plan to be legal, you MUST earn more from sales of products than from introducing others to join.”

That first sentence is very important. Since you declare that Ambit Energy is illegal, they must be violating this first sentence.

What percentage of income is Ambit getting from introducing others to join? If I understand your point, it has to be over 50% to trigger this violation.

If you would be so kind, can you confirm that it is over 50%? You have me really curious on this one.
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Gentlemen, this is real easy…we’re still waiting for proof. The burden of proof is on the opposition, who have yet produced anything except opinions and anecdotal evidence.

Everyone’s posturing, assertions, and opinions are useless here (read all the prior posts)…proof speaks volumes. So far, 3 Attorney Generals, State Legislators, Judicial Advocates, and State Commissions who looked at the evidence, and interrogated Ambit for pyramid practices, all agree that the company is legitimate and is not an illegal pyramid.

The burden of proof is on everyone to present proof to the contrary that all these state and local representatives seem to not know.

Legal precedence is against you. Let’s see the legal stuff that everyone has. Until then, the topic is dead and the conclusion from the legal system and courts stand firm.

All the states have different laws governing this type operation. PA is that the top guys have to be selling product and signing new people. Most of the time MLMs run into problems is from somebody doing something stupid. That brings them into investigating the other parts. Also, general info pa may be extenting its price control a little longer to gradually increase it over a period of time so we don’t get hit with a large price increase.
I got a question why do people keep arguing over this.

1. Is it true that if you only get Electric Customers and do not sign up reps that you will make very little money for your efforts?
2. Is it true that due to the pyramid structure of Ambit that as each new rep signs on, it become progressively harder (due to sheer numbers) to find more people willing to sign on as reps?
3. Is it true that the mathematical undertaking of the people at the bottom of any pyramid is much more astronomical than the people who are already established?
4. Is it true that the people at the top of a pyramid will simply walk away leaving those at the bottom and take their money?
5. How many reps have to be recruited TOTAL for a person who signs on to a pyramid with 1600 members (currently)to advance ONE level?
How about THREE levels?

Just look on the front page of today’s New York Daily News paper (7/11/08 and you guys tell me if there is not potential with Ambit. With energy costs going up, why wouldn’t people want to save money on their gas and electric bills? Example: Why pay $50k for a 2008 BMW 535xi when I can get the same BMW model for $45k somewhere else? It’s a no-brainer, I see the potential with Ambit Energy.

MUMBO JUMBO
1. YES
2. YES
3. YES
4. YES
5. ONE level would take 3200 reps for advancement to the next level. THREE levels takes a whopping 22,400 reps to put you up on the THIRD level.
6. NONE. You are in control of the scam. You have to do NOTHING. That’s what the suckers are for.

Well, pot call the Kettle black. You don’t dispute my answers but you pose a question that YOU can answer. I know it is greater than 50%. YOU know it is greater than 50%. YOU choose to keep that FACT out of by trying to make my facts look like they are lies.

Math doesn’t lie, but errors in statistical probability and assumptions can certainly twist the facts so that they no longer resemble true facts.

In your zeal to make a point, you “accidentally” made the statistical assumption that pyramids grow and expand symmetrically, evenly and at the same rate.

They don’t and you know that. Your figures assumed they do, which makes them highly inaccurate, quite suspect and not realistic.

Do the math, but apply it in the correct way.

It would be ignorant to answer such loaded questions when the questions are so hypothetical and loaded with erroneous fundamental probabilities and statistically significant errors. They were a few deviations removed from the center of the bell curve.

BTW, which part of the equation are you referring as greater than 50%? The revenue from recuiting, or sales of energy? Let’s remove the ambiguity of your answer.

Thank you.

Oh and BTW…I don’t grade on the “Bell Curve”…LOL

My questions were very simple. You just refused to answer them.

Man, it sure got QUIET in here when someone started throwing numbers at the people pushing Ambit on here. NOW that’s hilarious.

So the sponsor gets NO PAYMENT when recruiting if that new recruit (or sucker as you say) doesn’t get enough customers.
Clever Cover
I said No champion of Ambit or Ignite is pushing electricity on here that they are pushing “Become a Rep”.
The TRUTH is hard to handle. Some of these people link to their personal Ambit websites. All of the phone numbers when googled have “Make money with very little effort… Ambit…etc”
You fool some of the people…….

Do you make more money selling electricity or do you make more money recruiting Representatives? Which is it? Is the bulk of revenue generated by sales of a product or is it generated by buy in money from new Reps. Simple Question.

So you are saying that if someone wants to become a rep and is waving a $400 dollar bill at these guys they won’t take him as a rep until he has 20 potential customers. I think NOT.
They will snatch that $400 bucks from an unemployed 18 yr old kid woth no other prospects so fast it will make your head swim. After all, it’s up to him whether or not he succeeds at this game.
That is the mentality that you MUST have to make this work.

YES, it’s a scam.

Your post needs clarification of “people” versus “electric customers” versus consultants/reps/suckers.

Association with Ambit Energy has been the most costly, frustrating, disappointing experience of the past number of years.

Twice they tried to charge me a gastly ‘True-up charge” when they didn’t get my payments posted on the correct day.

NOW…when I changed service providers at the end of my contract year…they have charged me nearly $1000.00 ‘TRUE-UP CHARGE’ again and want the full payment in 2 payments…at bill of nearly 1500.00.

NEVER!!!! was there anything disclosed about this hidden , and in my opinion, illegal charge. and no reasonable accomodation for paying what they say is owed….STAY CLEAR OF AMBIT ENERGY AT ALL COST!!!!!!

Think about it for a moment how many companies have have sales people make them join for 399. Most companies kiss a good salesman ass to bring in business. I think the 399 goes toward the hotel rooms new customers. By the way there rates are very high 20 cent kilowat hour.

I assure everyone here that I am NOT a part of any Electric service provider company and furthermore I have never let myself be victimized by any pyramid game or company.

The Ambit energy comes from the Royal, dutch shell company,shell energy nd trading, third biggest corp in the world pretty reputible company to me

Any of you think AMBIT is a get rich scam…don’t even bother to comment on this thread. I’m from NYC and i have tried so many things such as AMWAY/QUICK STAR/AVON and blaaa blaa blaaa…all of them offers you a product to sell in order to make sales. I joined Ambit 6months ago, and yes you have to work little hard to make money! DUHH …all you dumb asses think that they join and do nothing can be millionaires are pathetic. and i will say this ABMIT wont make you filthy rich…but you can try your best to be rich. I joined cus i wanted to buy house and a nice car. i already got the house and Ambit pays for my house. lean the ambit system and make it happen!!! Don’t treat the business $400 treat it like a million dollar business and it WILL treat you like the same. that’s all i can say..i will anwer all your questions i got nothing to hide weather u want to argue about Ambit or weather you want more info about it i will always answer my phone. SHASHI(718-578-5227)RC

Yes and you sound like the PHONY you are.

How does free energy sound to you guys? A scam? I think not. Ambit’s release below. Are any of the complainers on here capable of showing 15 people how to change there service over for the opportunity at never having a gas and/or electric bill again? Answer: probably not. That’s why you complain and don’t work.

FREE ELECTRICITY AND GAS
By far, the greatest buzz generated at Ambition 2008 was the announcement of free electricity and gas. If you weren’t there, you read that right! We introduced the Customer Referral Bill Credit Program on top of the Customer Referral Travel Program.

When a customer refers 15 customers, the referrer receives a credit on their next bill equal to the average amount of the referred customers’ payments. All previously referred customers count toward the 15, and the customer has 120 days to get the remaining customers. For example, say the customer has already referred 5 customers, earned a Travel Award, and their 90-day customer-referral clock has expired. The clock is now reset to 120 days (from September 13, 2008), and those previous 5 customers count. All they need to do is get 10 more within 120 days and they qualify for the credit! This credit can be applied every month, as long as those 15 customers remain active and pay their bills sometime within the 30 days prior to the date the referrer’s bill is generated.

So encourage your customers to enroll more than the minimum 15 referrals just to protect their monthly credit. In Illinois and New York, the credit applies only to the energy supply portion of the bill (the delivery charges are not included). Illinois and New York customers will receive a check in the mail instead of a credit on their bills.

Here’s the really good part: Consultants ARE eligible!
All Consultants have 120 days from September 13, 2008 to gather 15 additional personal customers. As a Consultant, you must be an Ambit Energy customer. (No, we can’t apply the credit to a competitor’s bill!)

AND there is nothing FREE about the Free Energy “offer” above.

EXACTLY.

PyramidsAREscams said,in October 7th, 2008 at 7:33 am
“You could hear a pin drop in here. Where are the pyramid pundits now?”

Moving on building their Ambit business while you sitting here eating bag of Cheetos and drinking soda, chump!

I’m not an Ambit dealer, or involved in any other MLM, but I do know a lot about MLMs, and I just have to ask those of you who are anti-MLM one question…. Name one large company where the guys at the top do as much work as the guys at the bottom and make the same pay. What company does this? ALL large companies are muti level. The guy at the bottom does all the work for little pay, and the guys at the top make all the money and enjoy $200.00 lunches, private jets, and expense accounts, and they do next to nothing. So what’s different about MLM?

My concern is that watching the intro video, the host, about half-way through, makes a reference to getting started in the business by tapping into your ‘warm market.’ Damn – where is the MARKETING PLAN for this company? A great company and a great compensation plan mean zilch without a great marketing concept. We are supposed to get rich off our Aunt’s and Uncle’s? Damn what a Neanderthal way to run a business. No thanks.

“Anything worth having is worth working for!” Ambit gave me the fresh start I needed in business and so far it is working for ME. Where would Mcdonalds and burger king be today if people discouraged potential franchisees from buying into the ideal that people want to eat fast food. There is no scam here at all. Just an opportunity for business minded people to make a very generous income. Sure it may not work for everyone, but for most people that actually got involved, it has really paid off. “Pyramidsarescams” has obviously got his/her heart broken by an Ambit millionaire!!! Aw! poor boo boo! Free your mind and your a$$ will follow! I’ll be a sucker til the end of time as long as I am getting paid well for it!!! Peace,love, and prosperity to all who search for it!!

Hey dont fall on that scam I paid $400 to be a consultant and is a scam

It’s all so odd regarding perceptions and misconception we all have about companies in general whom promote products and services via relational marketing (Networking-MLM for you haters)
I was faced with a business that closed after 12 years due to increasing regulations.
o @ 40 I found myself job surfing. I found a job (great paying job to add) but with the economy my entire department was let go(all 13 of us).
Once again I needed income. Not easy for self made person to find a JOB. I ran across Ambit via and advertisement. I looked into this much more than most of you through my direct contacts at the state attorney general level.
Here is what I was told: Ambit is not a pyramid. By LEGAL definition it doesn’t qualify because they actually offer a service/product that tangible. In this case it’s a discount on energy and incentives.
I also was allowed to speak to several customers of my choosing and each via email or phone stated they were satisfied with the discounts and those who took advantage loved the FREE energy.
So I joined, I have since made my investment fee back and am working on replacing my new PT J.O.B. I have zero experience in down-lines, networking, MLM’s etc. I do however have an entrepreneurial desire.

All this talk about this being one thing or this being that is just plain silly.
Is it illegal?
If so, shut them down.
Go after a class action lawsuit!
Get your state attorney general on them..
If not, then why condemn?
Move onto something more meaningful
Each one of us will “Live and Die” by our choices today and every day after.
I am glad I am involved, I am glad I found Ambit.
God Bless everyone!

“Do you think the NYSE would allow a SCAM (as you so elequently called it) onto the exchange?”

You’re right – Bernie Madoff actually did trade real stocks for people during the past 20 years – what happened to him recently was all an anti-semitic setup by jealous anglo saxon competitors..

We tried to get some straight answers out of an Ambit Rep after responding to an advertisement in a local store’s bulletin board.

I contacted an Ambit rep by the name of Paul Greco (http pgreco14 dot joinambit dot com).

All we wanted was some answers regarding how much out tenants would save by switching from ConEd and got nothing but smoke, mirrors and a promise of free airfare and gasoline cards. Almost sounds like the FREE IPOD ads where you have to complete 10 offers to get it.

Here are the e-mails between my building and Paul (from newest to last). The next post lists another 2 e-mails to Paul that have yet to be returned regarding his misrepresentations of Ambit Energy:

Hello Robert,

Below are answers to your questions from my senior manager. I hope this helps clarify things:

1) Ambit guarantees in writing to be lower than Con Ed no matter how much they have to pay for the energy. The energy comes from Shell/ Shell Energy Trading Corp.
Ambit can do this because of their exclusive patented purchasing system with Shell that no other ESCO has. This patented purchasing system creates efficiencies in purchasing that allows Ambit to get competitive prices in their purchases of energy. This system is the main reason why Shell was eager to enter into this agreement with Ambit.

2) Energy is a commodity that fluctuates everyday so we don’t quote a price because we don’t sign a contract..its impossible to tell you what you are going to pay in 3 months..we just gurantee to be lower and give you a few perks. Since Ambit started we have averaged a 10% savings. You get 7% off the first 2 months and a competitive rate thereafter.
As of this time, Ambit’s rates are 5-6% better than Con Ed’s. You pay NO taxes on delivery charges thereafter as well.

3) The Customer Website is used to monitor usage and plan vacations or earn free gasoline vouchers as you accumulate reward points. You get 2000 points just for signing up and paying your first bill. You earn 1 point per KWH used and 10 points per Therm. It is also used when you refer people to Ambit. 5 customers =free vacation. 15= the chance to get reduced or free energy. It also gives you helpful hints on how to save money and reduce your energy usage. We can help anyone who needs it. Some without a computer ask a friend or relative check in periodically for them.

4) People that don”t have a computer get a comparison letter in 12 months showing them there savings. If you did not save at least 1% over the course of 12 months , Ambit will send a check for the difference- The New York State Guarantee (Ambit is the only ESCO to offer this).

5) If you are not happy you call Con Ed’s 800 number and switch back-NO charge-NO questions- NO contracts

6) I n 2010 Con Ed has to release 50% of their market share to not be a monopoly.

7) We offer customers a chance to become independant consultants and attain financial independence for something that they start and get residual income for life..

In terms of Ambit going out of business, Ambit is one of the fastest growing companies in the US and is only 2 1/2 years old. It is on pace to be one of the fastest companies
to earn one billion dollars. It is growing at a MONTHLY rate of 24%. At this time Ambit is in NY, Texas , Illinois, and very soon Ohio. That leaves a market of 46 states left to do business in. This a $500 billion dollar market.

9) And of course, you get a FREE vacation for 2 just for signing up.

If you or any of your residents are interested in the possibility of becoming an Ambit Marketing Consultant and earning monthly residual income please let us know.
There is great earning potential and you can make your own hours by starting your own home based business.

Robert, I hope the above helps clarify your questions. Please l et me know if you have any more. I will do whatever I can to answer them. Remember that no other company guarantees a savings. If you’d like me to set up a conference call with my senior consultant, I’d be happy to do so.

Please let me know.

Best regards,

Paul

—–Original Message—–
From: Robert Ferro
To: getenergy111@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:43 am
Subject: Re: Switching utility Providers for our building.

Hello Paul-

Our buiding’s board meeting was last night and I spoke with some of the members regarding changing utility providers. As I stated before, the VP was management in Shell Oil and had some good questions.

First, I showed him the press release and explained Ambit had a strategic partnership with Shell Trading. He asked how this “partnership” would affect pricing to the end consumer as Ambit can not purchase direct unless they buy frozen gas from another Country. If this were the case, how would the gas get to our building?

He explained to me that all gas must be purchased through the Mercantile Exchange. Electricity through NYISO. With that being said, could you explain what this “partnership” means and how it would benefit our owners? He explained that if Ambit went out of business, ConEd would be happy to take right back over.

With regard to the price guarantee, how would our owners know if Ambit was not cheaper than ConEd? Would they have to check the monthly therm tariff submitted by ConEd to the PSC to check against their bills? The refund check guarantee is a bit hard to explain to people with no computers. Most of them don’t really grasp the meaning of therms and KW hours.

Also, if Ambit bases their rate on the monthly PSC tariff filing with the PSC, how would market fluctuations play a factor?

Now with my questions.

First, would you be interested in coming to next month’s meeting and going over ConEd bills and showing what they would have saved with Ambit?

Second, why would anyone ever want their own website? I log in to my account with ConEd each month and can see all my account details and usage at a glance. The account balance is deducted each month automatically.

Take your time with this. Our next meeting isn’t till February 19th.

R Ferro

—– Original Message —–
From: getenergy111@aol.com
To: mrrobertferro@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Switching utility Providers for our building.

That is great. He will be able to tell you much about the deal, I’m sure. Here is the press release :

http www dot newswiretoday dot com/news/19432/

If you switch your meter you get a 3 day/2 night stay FOR TWO at those locations at a Sheraton, Ramada, Holiday Inn for free- no strings, no catches. Airfare is not included on this particular trip package. It is even transferrable to a friend or family member.
Every customer that signs on to Ambit gets one at no cost.

And if you refer only 5 customers, you get to pick another trip from the ambittravel.com site.

Refer 10 more and you can get that free energy. All while accumulating points on the energy you use to earn more rewards and free gas
.
Every customer gets a website to keep track of the points they are accumulating and the savings they are getting and how much energy they are using. The site also gives customers tips on how to save energy. This is how customers can refer other customers for those other promotions like Free Energy. We are available to to help any customer with that process, each and any time should they need it, but it is very simple.

I will attach a scan of the vacation voucher I got when I signed on as a customer.

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I hope this helps.

please let me know if you have any other questions.

Regards,

Paul

—–Original Message—–
From: Robert Ferro
To: getenergy111@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: Switching utility Providers for our building.

Paul-

The Vice President of our Board worked for Shell and knows much more about ConEd and this stuff than me. I will print this e-mail and get his feedback. Will let you know.

Thank you for responding so quickly.

But lastly, if I switch my meter, I get a 2 night stay in one of those hotels? Any other catch?

Robert
—– Original Message —–
From: getenergy111@aol.com
To: mrrobertferro@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Switching utility Providers for our building.

It would be 7% under Con Ed for the first 2 months. Ambit is currently 6% below Coned for Electric and gas, so after the first 2 months of 7%
you would have a 6% savings on each for the following months. Again, market fluctuations can make that number go up and down, but the guarantee is that under any circumstances to be less (at a MINIMUM of 1%) than Con Ed. No other ESCO has that guarantee. You will not pay taxes on delivery at all going forward.

Just for signing up you get a 3 day/2 night hotel stay at the cities in the US that are listed on that flyer. The hotels included are Sheraton, Ramada,Holiday Inn and several more.

There is no cost to switch and no contracts.

Th rates are difficult to quote only because there are no contracts with Ambit. If another supplier quoted you rates it may be that it was for a fixed contract, but for example my gas SUPPLY BILL would have been $210 + 6.32 in delivery tax. With Ambit it is $197.10 and no tax on delivery. For electricity it would have been 134.78 + 5.14 in tax, with Ambit it is 126.40 and no delivery tax. That is calculated at the 6%. The first two months are 7%.

Customers earn points from the electricity they use themselves to earn bigger more deluxe vacation packages- see www dot ambittravel dot com and also free gas vouchers. Ambit gives the customer 2 000 points just for signing on.

Example of the Free Energy Program- If a customer can refer 15 customers to Ambit they will receive a deduction from their bill the average usage cost of those 15 customers. If their supply charges are $200 and the average usage from their referrals is $200 or more, that is deducted from their bill- so they get their energy for free. If it equals $150, than the customer only pays $50.

Ambit is offering competitive rates without contracts and it’s partnership with Shell Energy Trading assures it’s viability.

I hope this explanation helps in your decision. As I said, if you’d like a full presentation by are representatives I will try to arrange one.,

Thank you.

All the best,

Paul

—–Original Message—–
From: Robert Ferro
To: getenergy111@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36 am
Subject: Re: Switching utility Providers for our building.

Everyone has their own meter. Then there’s a separate meter (2) for the building too. Actually 40 meters in total.

I looked at the attached brochure. So 7% under ConEd for the firs t 3 months and then? 1% under ConEd rates?

I also saw the other offers for free hotel. While I don’t think the residents in the building would be interested in a utility provider offering free hotel stays, what hotel is it? My wife works for the Ritz Carlton (Marriot).

Your website did not really give me any info on how much our residents would save with switching from ConEd to your company. Another supplier took a December bill and showed exactly what would have been saved in November & December, 2008.

If I send you a ConEd bill or the statement figures, could you tell me how much it would have been if we signed with you?

I can’t present a plan where you tell our residents they’ll get a hotel stay and a gas card if they switch from ConEd.

Robert
—– Original Message —–
From: getenergy111@aol.com
To: mrrobertferro@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Switching utility Providers for our building.

Mr Ferro,

Thank you for taking the time to inquire about the Ambit Energy service. People are saving money and earning great rewards just for using their
own energy.

I do have a question, though. Ambit at this time does not supply energy to commercial buildings. If each of the residents in your building pay their own gas an electric bills individually, then Ambit can provide your building energy.

Here is my website for potential customers to see what Ambit offers and the benefits of being an Ambit customer-

http pgreco14 dot joinambit dot com

As far as rates go it is very difficult to quote rates on energy because it is a traded commodity and those rates change every day based on market fluctuations. But Ambit does guarantee (NY State Guarantee) that is will be lower than Con Edison or it will refund you the difference.
Ambit can guarantee low competitive prices (no one else does) because of it’s strategic partnership with the Royal Dutch Shell Company and Shell Energy Trading.
There is no cost to switch, no contracts, no risk.

I will also attach a flyer I created which does a basic “sum up” of what you get being an Ambit customer. Please pay special attention to the Free Energy Program on page 2. Ambit is the only one offering the opportunity of free energy to it’s customers.

Thank you very much for your contact. If this seems interesting to you I would love the chance to have our team make a presentation to your co-op board.

Please let me know what you think.

Best regards,

Paul

—–Original Message—–
From: Robert Ferro
To: getenergy111@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 5:19 pm
Subject: Switching utility Providers for our building.

One of our tenants wrote down your e-mail address from a sign concerning alternate energy sources. As the board president of a 38 unit building in Bronxville, I make recommendations to the building concerning matters such as this.

We have been shopping for a alternate provider and would like for you to forward some information on how much the tenants could save by switching their gas and electric to the company you represent.

Our next board meeting is this coming Thursday so a reply before then would be appreciated.
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Please provide as much information as possible concerning gas & electric rates. If your offer is competitive, you will be asked to come to the meeting next month and begin the sign up process.

R. Ferro

I want hard number not percentages. Percent of WHAT?

Additional response from Paul Greco:

Mr Ferro,

Ambit is a privately held company.

All the information I’ve given you thus far is public information provided by Ambit and as I’ve stated many times quite clearly, that Ambit will not quote rates because we don’t sign customers to contracts. No misrepresentations, no obfuscations. Your energy would be delivered to your building by Con Ed just as it is now. I’ve tried in good faith to get back to you in a timely manner on your questions in which I needed to get more information . Shell Energy Trading’s strategic partnership with Ambit is also public. The Guarantee in NY State is in writing. You will pay less than you would have paid if you had stayed with Con Ed or be refunded the difference. That seems clear to me. 7% off first 2 months, a competitive rate and no delivery taxes thereafter. Also clear.

If the incentives don’t interest you, that’s your prerogative. Many of our customers enjoy them.

I’ve outlined the terms over and over, quite consistently over a succession of emails. If these terms don’t meet your expectations , then I am sorry we can’t do business.

Good luck in your search for an energy supplier.

Paul

Juan-

Wait it’s getting better. I have more responses coming.

Last response to Ambit’s rep Greco:

Paul-

All I asked was for links to back up the statements you made. Very simple, no? If Ambit was one of the “overall” fastest growing companies in the US, I would have figured they’d be in the top 100 growing energy companies, at the bare minimum (I sent you the list of the top 50!).

With regard to Shell, we asked you a simple question. How is Ambit circumventing the NYMEX exchange when the gas is purchased Interstate? Natural gas can not be sold to the end user in NY if it is piped interstate through the national pipeline network.

Here’s a great article on how gas is sold and bought in the U.S.. You should read this being that this information is at the very heart of what you market. Even if your core business is trying to suck people in to becoming your “downline”, and paying $400 (for the liberty of being an Ambit consultant) & $25 a month for a website, you should at least have an “elementary” understanding of the gas & electricity markets.

If your defense to these misrepresentations is that you simply repeated the statements made by Ambit’s CEO, I simply have to shake my head. However, you should make sure that the representation you make on behalf of the company you represent is supported by fact, not “hot air” during one of Ambit’s “Make a Million with MLM” seminars.

You should have told me from the start you were marketing free gas, hotel stays, travel points and not a legitimate ESCO (with total emphasis on selling utility service and nothing else). But with that being said, I guess I should have never wasted my time e-mailing you from a flyer hung in a Mailbox Etc. store that emphasized free hotels and gasoline.

All I can say is I hope you find it in your conscious not to market your scam to the elderly or those that really can’t afford to lose the $400 so you can make a quick $100. Shame on you and the company you represent.

Thanks again for wasting our building’s time. By the way, the next time I go to pick up my mail, I’m taking down your flyer and asking Michele not to allow it back up. When she finds out you’re marketing a scam to her customers, she won’t appreciate you advertising on her board.

One thing for sure. If he’s not the best Sales Person in NY, he’s the best cusser… Raised in the Bronx?
BTW…..YOU are not God. I’m not going to stoop to your level and call you what you really are.

And one last point, as the building’s president, I would be legally “barred” from becoming a “rep” with a vendor that does business with us. But thanks for that wonderful and insightful idea.

We just wanted a quote on gas & electric. Not trips to Disney and gasoline cards.

Do what most Pyramid people do. “Fake it till you make it”. In other words, LIE, LIE, and LIE some more.

It’s funny that so many people that join MLM schemes like Ambit say “how many other businesses can you own for just $399?”.

You don’t own a business. You’re selling their product with the their rules. You own nothing.

Imagine going to sell cars and the owner of the dealership says “pay us $400 and you can now walk around our lot and help us sell cars”? Or how about paying to be a waiter at TGI Fridays? At least when they yank $25/month out of your paycheck, it’s to defray the cost of health insurance or a similar legit expense.

Now that I read all these posts I feel like a dope. They made it seem like I was doing people a favor and as if I was the messiah coming to save the world from the evil Con Edison. Not the case.

Robert, thanks for the great posts showing the e-mails from the Ambit sales rep. He (Paul Greco) did a perfect job explaining what his company is all about. It’s funny how you just “pushed the right buttons”.

And Paul, why not put your energies into something productive like selling Fuller brushes door-to-door?

Ambit is just another Corporate America ‘board game’ – they set the rules in their favor and make false promises. Isn’t it a red flag when the key marketing message is “Get Rich”, versus “Save Money on overinflated energy bills”. Unfortunately, both business models (Corporate or Pyramid) are laced with lies and favor those on the top. The risk of deregulation is that all the workers that support the infrastructure (maintain the pipes, wires, and perform customer billing or customer service) are at a greater risk of losing their jobs or even worse, that safety factors are jeopardized since margins are reduced to support “fair competition”. The issue is that everyone wants to “Get Rich”. What happened to fair days pay for a fair day of work. Where do people think these residual margins come from?? When someone makes extreme profits, that money comes from somewhere. This country needs to get back to basics and put priorities on healthy family living versus making as much money as possible the quickest way you can. Don’t fall victim to “The other guy does it, so I have to too”. It needs to start with Corporate Leaders that are willing to not rob their shareholders blind. Integrity. Integrity. Integrity.

I signed my condo as and electric to Ambit almost two months ago and compared my bill to other owners in my complex. One of the owners has Accent Energy and pays a lot less than I do. When I called by friend that signed me up, I asked why the other Esco companies are so much cheaper. He told me they don’t offer travel discounts and other perks. He also said they don’t compete on price. Huh?

I’m furious that I signed this. Why would I want travel perks in lieu of simply the best utility rate around? After I mentioned I wasn’t happy, he asked if I wanted to be a rep and if I knew anyone else that would sign on. This is crazy. He’s brainwashed like a Scientology member.

Shop around because Ambit is the most expensive ESCO around. Keep the free hotel room. Just give me the best rate on gas and electric!

You anti MLM’er are nothing but HATERS!! Look lets bottoms line this. Amway, Mary Kay, Avon etc. have been in business for years and i’m sure they have taken there shot as beings SCAMS of PYRAMIDS yet they work the same way. If they were illegal then they simply would not be able to grow in size. Instead they would be all over nightline and cnn with warnings to stay away. If you don’t want to work an MLM then don’t!! Period!! If Ambit shut down tommorrow, I would be no better or worse off then the thousands of people who lost there jobs due to layoffs and/or company shut downs. MLM’s dont work for everyone but it has for me for many years. Now i’m going to sign off of this STUPID BLOG and stop wasting my time with all you “positive” people. Peace!

I am a CPA from NY, and I got suckered into this scam. A friend of mine became a rep, and convinced me to change my service to Ambit. I compared the rates with my neighbor for the first month (Ambit was a little cheaper), and then I forgot about it. 5 months later, I check again, and Ambit is about 5% higher than Con Ed. Now I tell you “believers that this is not a scam”, the guarantee isn’t worth the paper it’s written on! Call it what you want, if you’re not comfortable calling it a scam, then call it fixed. Because that’s what it is, fixed, like a carnival game!

I signed up for Ambit to be my provider and their staff is completely clueless when it comes to simple questions about how they are going to compute the savings over National Grid.

One rep stated that the savings will be computed and shown on my monthly and yearly bill, which National Grid stated they do not do. Also Ambit stated that they do NOT have access to my billing information, because they are neither a supplier nor biller.

I will let that slide

After calling National Grid and then Ambit back, rep #2 stated that in order to get a comparison on how to calculate the savings, i will need to call national grid EVERYDAY for their daily gas rates because Ambit uses a monthly rate, not daily.

Maybe I’m missing this but how will Ambit save me money when my current gas and electric supplier will not change and National Grid will not share this information with outside parties (AMBIT). Are they going to guess what my bill is or do I have to send it to them and keep following up to make sure I am reimbursed?

Also National Grid services 99% of upstate NY but their reps at customer service really have no information about Ambit and rebut all statements Ambit says National Grid will do?

No one seems to be on the same page.

That being said, My Ambit power was supposed to be turned on 12/7/2008 then 2/21/2009 and now its 3/25/2009. Are they delaying entry into this “hot” NY market because they don’t need the money? The rep that signed me up stated that his monthly income from Ambit in December was $600, $300 and then finally it was $1200. Which one was it? Nothing is consistent.

I’m sorry but if you’re going to compare yourself to the GOOGLEs of the world, you should follow suit on how they operate. Having misinformed customer service reps that do not know the basics of how the 1% savings works…probably doesn’t fall under “best practices”, especially if their answers are guesses just to shut up the current caller. A completely hap-hazard way of making the official start date wrong over and over when you do not provide anything or bill anyone is unfathomable. They are not laying power lines and delayed because of poor weather.

I’ve listened to many MLM over the last 10 years and they all haven’t made any money for anyone that is worth mentioning. Yeah, the times suck right now and everyone is looking for a get-rich-quick job…but in reality, getting off your ass and actually working will make you more than any MLM, and saving you from pissing off your friends and family about wasting their $400. And the people that motivate you at these “pep rallies” are speaking because they have already convinced other desperate people to waste their $400 at the last rally.

Hey, if I am wrong about anything, let me know, which I know I probably will….I’m just saying, no ones answers seem to ever correlate.

Hi everyone,

I can see why there is so much confusion about Ambit. No one has
stated how Ambit works properly.

First, any one can join as a customer and save on their energy cost.

If a customer decides to tell others, they receive a vacation when 5
join Ambit as a customer and additional energy savings after referring
15 customers – NO Consultant membership needed.

If after using Ambit for a while and seeing that referring others can
generate them an income, they have the option but not the requirement
to purchase a Consultant Membership which allows them to start and
build their own business offering Ambit’s energy saving service.

By becoming a Consultant, they are allowed to earn from several
income streams that increase as their level in the company increases
as they build their Ambit business.

It is unfortunate that it appears from the post on this forum that
many Ambit Consultants are not following their training. Yes I have
reviewed the training – No I’m not in Ambit.

Ambit’s training using their step-by-step process starts with just
referring customers. Not pushing being a Consultant. Though Ambit
has a first-class training site, it is obvious that many Consultant’s
businesses are growing simply due to the high appeal of the Ambit
opportunity and not due to the training being followed as prescribed
in the training video.

Ambit’s goal is to attract customers first. This is obvious if you
look at their training video. Only after a customer expresses an
interest in the income opportunity that Ambit offers is a Consultant
to use their Consultant recruiting training.

From the post on this forum, most of the problems as stated by those
on this forum in regard to “Ambit only refers Consultants at a cost
of $00 each” are caused by Consultants trying to refer other
Consultants which Ambit never endorsed or stated that a Consultant
should do.

Ambit’s training is simple and straight forward.

Customer first.

Discuss being a Consultant if the customer expresses an interest in
earning from the Ambit opportunity.

These are the only two main steps Ambit teaches and trains their
Consultants to do and in that order with the assistance of the
three-way call to answer any questions the potential customer may
have prior to transferring their energy service to Ambit.

There are other training options but these options are not needed
until a person reaches 18 Consultants and attains Senior Consultant
status.

Based on the training videos, it is not Ambit’s intent that any
Customer or Consultant attempt to directly solicit a customer or
non-customer to become a Consultant prior to becoming a customer.

It is not my place to say what is right and what is wrong. But it
appears that if Consultants were following the training that Ambit
has provided, most or all of the misunderstandings being discussed
in this forum simply would not exist.

On a final note …….Texas Electricity has a brilliant website.
I hope you guys are making a killing with all these nifty ads that are saving people money and paying the bills.

Am I allowed to post a fax # for resumes on here??

Hi IM from Florida, ive been a consultant for almos 2 years now, its been really difficult to get custumers and even more to get consultant here in FLA, so i quit, and join another pyramid business, and its been grat, i sell health, the company name is Stem Tech Science, they have this unique product call Stem Enhance, and I am really making moneyt now, you can check it out. http://www.jiriza.stemtechbiz.com

We already know about “Fake it till you make it” Mark. We know where you are at. You will be there in a month unless you can recruit 16,000 or so…. LOL

Madoff used a pyramid to make money too. He seems to have LOADS of friends. He’s really sorry for what he did too. Wait till he gets to prison. He will be sorry then. MLM is a pyramid in this case because the reps can’t make real money without recruiting reps on reps.

Personally I am not involved in any of these MLM energy companies however; What people that put these “so and so” company is a scam websites do not realize is in the end it comes down to this…no matter how much you state how great the company is or is not people will have their own opinon. I personally believe that the MLM/Direct Sales model is by far the best way for the average person to get rich bar none…here is the kicker though just like in any other business alot of people do not make it in this business why? A few things… 1. people listen to many other people that say this is a scam…which I used to…and to be honest people try to run scams on everything not just MLMs. 2. People misunderstand MLM or Network Marketing…(i.e. Marketing duh…) You are paid for marketing and marketing well…and people need to be attracted to you as a person that they feel they can work with and will help them achieve their goals. If people are not comfortable with No. 2 then no matter what product or service they will not make money in the long run and guess what they think it is a SCAM!! People have to get better at marketing and the skills that will attract people to them first before they will make any real money…that goes for people in Real Estate, Insurance and other service based industries…I still remember vividly when Excel Telecommunications opened up here in Texas almost twenty years ago and the same people now that say this energy deregulation stuff is a scam are still P.O.O.R. (Passed On Opportunities Repeatedly). Also..in the past twenty years about 10 people that I still keep in touch with are millionaires in this great industry…and I have seen them fall down and get back up again and again…so to say it was easy is a understatement…but for people that are truly committed…this industry will reward you in ways…that you WILL NEVER SEE from working hard for someone else…and the interesting thing is everyone has their own time table…some will take a year…some will take 5…or even 10 years…but they are millionaires now…and that is the same if you own your own brick and mortar business…

Sorry, just saw that I made an error. Meant to say Ambit saves money every year from NOT advertising on tv and radio, and allow the consultants to do that for you, and in return, the consultants reap the benefits.

Again I say HA HA lol!

another notable difference between mlm and the pyramid scheme model.) If you are qualifying your personal sales minimum by your own direct purchase and consumption, you could be putting in more than you get out if you don’t have a team sales volume level that outpaces your compensation plan’s minimum personal sales volume. On the other hand it is totally profitable if you are not investing any of your own money to qualify and are actually using retail sales for example to generate the required personal volume to qualify. I’ll give an example(This is a fictional illustration and not directly referring to any known compensation plan): In this e.g. Lets say 1 sale of a particular $100 product equals 10 sale volume points.10 PERSONAL volume points for whoever “made” the sale(or bought it for themselves) makes your channel “ACTIVE” and the sales network above me gets credited 10 TEAM volume points for the sale since it was generated by a team member below them in their network. The points stay registered during the remaining monthly pay period and are considered at the end of the month as valid from the starting date of that pay period. LETS say that this is a “powerline” compensation plan that places every enrollee in a single file first come first served network beneath the sponsor until the sponsor is given a second “powerline” after they’ve reached oh say GOLD ranking which means their network performed at a certain high level during a 3 month period. SO Lets say I’m a distributor that joined March 10 2009 and after I joined 3 distributors were “included” by sponsors above me in the network 2 days later. These 3 members are placed under me in the network(since I joined first) in the order that they were enrolled. I did not personally enroll them but the next day the last 2 of them make sales worth 10 volume points each for a total of 20 volume points. These individual distributors have 10 Personal volume points each but the sales team above and including me and the 1 person directly below me a woman who is not active gets credited with 20 TEAM sales points so far for March. The person directly below her gets 10 volume points for the bottom guy’s sale. Above me that figure is added to whatever points members above me have generated..ok so now I have 20 TEAM volume points in my own network..excited but not yet “qualified” for commission on TEAM volume yet, I get my girlfriend to join (she likes the idea of another bond existing between us as business associates..likes some of the products in my distributor catalog..and thinks she can interest 3 of her family members in a service offered involving cell phone plans or something that will create a standing order of 10 points per customer per month.) a hard worker at her paper hat job she has funds to reward herself and immediately orders a cosmetic product worth $100 that also equals 10 points through her own distributorship so she only pays $85 for it. As yet she has no TEAM volume in her business channel but she has become my first ACTIVE(for MARCH) distributor with 10 Personal sales points that is also personally enrolled by my me ie my channel. For me and the 3 other distributors above her something happens. We each get more TEAM volume points. The last guy above her finally gets some TEAM volume points too 10 of them. The guy above him gets an additional 10 TEAM volume points bringing him to 20 TEAM points The woman above him is now at 30 TEAM volume points, though she probably doesn’t know it because maybe she is not really that interested in the business..and I also am at 30 TEAM volume points. I decide I’m determined not to have to invest a dime to earn commissions in this business so I get hard to work finding customers and realizing I need one more active personally enrolled distributor to get qualified. SO the next day I spend all day planning and I decide to CREATE a brochure offering the cell phone plans I’ll give them to some friends I know that are in the market to change their plans, and a few passersby in a popular parking lot near my home. Also when my gf gets home from her paper hat job I talk with her and we agree to approach her family members together and convince them to choose our cell phone offer. We talk to her dad. Who is a little business savvy and realizes he can sign up and get a better deal as a distributor as well as be activated each month as he pays his cell phone bill. He signs up (lets say it costs 30 bucks to sign up as a distributor..trust me, the system that I’m getting most of my ideas from including the cell phone thing is actually FREE to join so feel me here.) He signs up and offers to pay me 20 bucks to make him some of my brochures he can use to strike up conversations with but later changes his mind and orders some from the company because they look more professional. He signs up but orders a cell phone plan through the same company he already uses on an with a contract extension so he keeps his cell phone number. This a standing order for his account but it takes 90 days to verify the order so we wont see the commissionable volume for 3 months. We show the catalog (lets say my sponsor loaned me one of his until mine comes in the mail) off to her mom but she realizes she likes the home shoppers network products a bit more than the ones in our catalogs. She IS interested in the business though saying it “might have potential in this neighborhood” but I have to let her know that if her spouse is already a distributor she can’t enroll as a separate distributor. Unless they were already distributors before they got married which was 20 years before the company even existed. She can’t take advantage of the cell phone deal without paying a $100 fee and changing her phone number because her contract is only 7 months old. So we close our presentation assuring her that when her husband’s distributor kit arrives they should have the latest catalog from the company and maybe she’ll find something in their she will like or that she can promote for their distributorship to her garage sale club at their next outing. We have a few hours of daylight left so we call her sister who’s phone service is so lame that the call drops just after we agree to meet at her favorite coffee shop/bookstore to give her my brochure. Before heading their I stop at my friend’s home office. He runs a bouncer/security business that moonlights as a street team promotional agency. I remind him of how he more than once complained about needing a way to keep more of his staff on call, but too many of them keep changing numbers because they aren’t managing their cell phone bills well. Afraid they’ll ask for raises he doesn’t make a fuss about it and just struggles to stay up to date..I explain that maybe he should consider joining to use the promotion to purchase a few cell phone contracts for his on call staff. It would make itself inexpensive through residual commissions and any overhead could likely wind up being tax deductible! After skimming through the pamphlet and handing it back to me he gives me a 10 minute speech about the terrible dangers mlm and illegal pyramids, I look him blankly in the eye and casually return the pamphlet to his desk. He chuckles and soberly agrees to review the business plan and check out the numbers. WE make it to the coffee shop miraculously on time. After a snack and some refreshment,light conversation, a brief explanation and some joking about the irony of the dropped call,we call it a night. We give her 2 pamphlets in case she loses one to her hectic lifestyle, but she produces a laptop and begins to browse through the plans as we take our leave. Pleased but still not satisfied (I still need a personal sale and another active and personally enrolled distributor to be qualified for this month!) I do the math and realize I could activate myself and her father with 2 personal sales but that would probably cost about me $200 thus negating the commission I would earn. Lets say the plan earns you $5 times 10 percent of total sales volume in your network so in this example If I get another activated distributor behind me in my network I’ll have gotten another 10 Team volume points bringing me to 40 team volume points 10 percent of 40 is 4 so I stand to make $20. I would lose about $180 if I do this..not a profit at all! ok back to the grind. I need 2 sales in the next 20 days. I thumb through the catalog..but realizing I’m not yet a refined salesman. I think back to my ebay days..I sold 2 out of 20 items. not the best record but not bad either..hmm. I have an online catalog with this business..maybe I can’t sell the stuff on ebay, but If I could direct some shoppers to the catalog maybe, just maybe I could make a couple of sales! Thats IT!…Two days later I’ve joined 3 free traffic exchanges and created a splash page highlighting my most promising products and I’ve updated my blog to focus on the greatness of my new home business. Both of them link to my main catalog index! I set the one of the traffic exchanges to link to my “best deals” splash page. One goes to my blog for prospects to add to my network. The last goes directly to my catalog index! I set that one to direct a specific kind of traffic(shoppers!) to my “online store” cross my fingers and begin to “surf” the exchanges to get traffic credits in my down time! Before the week is out I have accumulated 2 sales and as a bonus 2 more personal enrolled distributors! 1 of them even emails me asking what to do next! Of course I tell her about the traffic exchanges blogs and cell phone deals! By the end of the month I’ve gotten more creative with my online advertising, began messaging in forums encouraging others to pursuit their dreams of “financial freedom” ran into a couple of hate sites for my business and finally just excepted the fact that their are a-holes in the world that hate anything that they failed at(probably shelling money into it thinking it was a get rich quick pyramid scheme,so now they want nothing more than for you to fail also) anything they don’t understand or didn’t learn about in grammer school. After posting a few arguments that are doomed to fall on closed hearts and minds against the advise of the company execs, I begin instead to chat with others who have been successful in various small businesses including mine! On March 25 I wake up a little uncertain I check my “back office” wondering hmmm how can I qualify I still don’t have that last personally enrolled distributors who are active! I noticed the traffic exchange enrollees are promoting the business they’ve managed to sponsor 2 and 3 new distributors of their own! But after a few emails I discover that my 3 month standing order strategy training has gone viral and they are all using this method! SO it is unlikely that I’ll see any sales from them for about 90 days I’ve gotten about 2 more personally sponsored members from the internet, but they are not active either..hmm whats happening..and the enrollments seem to have dropped off..I scan the message boards and google the company it seems that the hate blogs have moved up and are very active it looks like as with every other mlm a hand full of haters have decided to make it a personal crusade to make sure everyone thinks the business is a scam and that there’s no way anyone will make any money..it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when the momentum starts to drop off due to negative commentary. I’m not discouraged though because my gf got her cosmetics and was very pleased so we know the company is shipping the orders. By now I’ve made about 5 more personal sales using traffic exchanges on internet so I reiterate to members of my network to duplicate that technique! then it occurs to me..My “step” dad is old school..he probably wont set up a “traffic sale” on his own..and if he gets active, then I’ll be active AND “Qualified!” I give him a call and he gives me the ok to post his catalog url on my exchange network(I’ll help him set up a few exchange networks NEXT month! It can be time consuming and I’m only gonna surf my own networks.) By the 29th he gets a 2 sales worth 5 volume points each ! WOW close call with 2 days to spare! NOW I’m ACTIVE and QUALIFIED for MARCH. I haven’t spent a DIME after my enrollment fee of $30. Let me tally up my earnings and see how much gross profit I made in this example. I’ll assume that wholesale versus retail rates are same for every item in the sales inventory. IF my girlfriend cosmetics cost $100 retail but she only paid $85 for it before shipping and taxes. then the wholesale difference of $15 must be 15%[that's pretty modestly standard the actual mlm I'm part of starts wholesale savings at 20 percent and increases the more bulk per order]
ok so lets also assume that a the rate of exchange for points pretty closely approximates $100 per 10 points of sales volume for this example. I made 7 personal sales but lets assume that they are the same value as my “step dad’s” sales (maybe its a gadget popularly sold on the internet, like a cute usb flash drive or something.)
so the TEAM volume I’ve personally sent up to my upline is 35 my Personal sales volume is 35 thats 25 more than I need to be active, and as it turns out any personal volume overage after 20 PV is retained for the next pay period ie next month I’ll be automatically qualified..there are also little bonuses given for distributors who reach that “silver” level and above for having PV of 20 points or more..nice![in the actual mlm I got this idea of PV overage recycling from, is a binary system with a weekly pay period and the PV overage gets applied to your lesser volume leg like as if it were team volume although upline does not get recredited it doesn't reactiviate you for the next week but active status lasts for four weeks all volume is retained as long as you don't go inactive and those retail bonuses are actually designed for the NEW distributors to help them get started earning from retail sales while the TEAM Volume commissions are understood to be more lucrative for veteran distributorships that have likely built up a sizable sales team.but this is a fictional example after all]
back to the example..So with my sales alone even if I never qualified I’d get a check for $52.50 not bad for a sales strategy that consist mainly of spending few hours “surfing” traffic exchanges websites! Of course only 22.50 of that is actually profit since I paid $30 to join the business. We’ll deduct that after we total everything..so earnings so far $52.50 now we calculate my commission earnings. Lets make a note..in this business Team sales volume must be at least 30 TV points to start getting paid..(it really does pay to keep rereading your compensation plan for little details before plotting out and investing in your business plan.) lets see if I made it…yup I scored that my first week after my gf bought her cosmetics.. ok so again 10% of 40 times 5 is again $20 + $52.50 so now we see I’ve earned $72.50. Remarkable for my first month of multilevel marketing. however deduct 30 for the distributor kit or whatever I still made $52.50 I won’t worry about taxes until the last minute because I’m a too excited to worry about that. Instead I reflect on how I made the money..ok My gf probably won’t order cosmetics again for a while besides I want her to profit from the business not spend up all her hard earned paper hat money, so that’s not residual..I have no idea what those 2 fellows bought earlier in the month when they joined..probably some products they could demonstrate to potential customers or associates. So I can’t assume that will be residual..The online sales might be continue to be forthcoming but I still can’t just sit back because It involves me actively doing something to drive traffic to the site, besides what if a better product becomes more popular..I’ll have to keep a close watch of the catalog sales rates to work that angle..and I’ll be happy to do it, but its just still not quite what I’d classify as residual though. Now the cell phone deal that’s residual..This is a service that is a recurring sale for each customer that stays with their new or extended contracts. It was wise of me to promote this offer..come 90 days from their sign up date I can expect to get commission on all those standing orders. At this point if 3 out of the 7 internet distributors signed up for this feature to use a bill they already pay to earn their 10 activating personal sales volume. plus “step dad’s” order, I convince gf to switch over her contract but she was only 5 months into her latest contract and so she paid the price of breaking the old contract. I just love her SO much for her forward thinking!…4 months later…gf’s sister found a nice prepaid plan she could use to activate but I doubt she’ll ever work the business and get any personally sponsored distributors under her..her life is just too hectic to introduce any new and long term people or ideas into her world. You never know with her though, she seems to be the one who likes to shock and awe the rest of us with her surprise turnabouts. She could be building a multimillion dollar network right now with her college friends and we would never know it until she was already halfway on her way to a dream vacation. I saw that my buddy joined the network but he’s yet to place any order..still bites his nails about keeping in touch with his employees whenever a big project comes up. I see that my upline has been steadily increasing the network from above at about the rate of 5 distributors a month. Thats actually pretty slow growth I think..the “birds” of failure are still crowing on their websites maybe that’s got something to do with it. A few of them even tried to comment on my blog I just summarily banned them, I’m really not into debate, and they are bad for business! It looks like the to fellows from before are continuing to make their mysterious personal orders and one of them has grown a team similar in scale to mine..they are all placing personal orders. I really wish I knew what they were doing..and as for that unknown lady who was the first to be sponsored by my upline after me, she still has not done anything..It even looks like she signed up 3 personally enrolled distributors who signed up 3 and they have signed up 1-3, those have been active intermittently but she has never gone active..I can only laugh and sigh, whenever I see that she could have made a nice deal of money with just one personal sale. I’m tempted to sub in her referral id for mine on my catalog index site for a week just to try and get her a sale and activate her channel, just so she could get a check in the mail, but I fear this would just reinforce her likely belief that she will get paid just for sitting on the network..besides its kind’ve entertaining. Oh yeah and “step mom” usually gets a few personal sales every month form her garage sale club..and a couple of them have even began using our online resale network(its sorta like ebay i guess) to sell stuff they’d gotten from garage sales. I joked that she should start an online garage sale club like I read about in a book once.. she didn’t laugh and she gave me a look that I don’t know if it was horror or eureka. I laughed my way out of the building that moment so I guess I’ll only know if the topic ever comes up again. lol!
This was a work of fiction the result of someone having to much time on their hands and getting lost in the creativity of the project. none of these people or events actually happened and the products and plans may have been inspired by real business systems but they are a blended mixture of real and imagined elements. Individual or group results in the MLM business industry are not typical, and rely heavily on personal factors and industry wide factors such as general business or market performance.

BULL.

These are the facts.
1. It is based on a pyramid.
2. You can switch your provider for free without an Ambit Rep.
3. Ambit does not have the best rate on Electricity.
4. Ambit reps made small change if they don’t get more reps.

SCAM.

No Marianne…You are the one who doesn’t get it….

You will make more money working at McDonalds Glen….. and you don’t save money because Ambit does not have the best rate.

I calculated my savings if I switched to Ambit. They say they will guarantee a savings of 1% over National Grid’s price or they will refund the difference. What do they mean by that? I know what it means, I have to check prices every month and contact them to try to get them to refund the money they charged me that was more than they were supposed to. So my average electric supply part of the bill is $36 X 12 months = $432 X 1% = $4.32 savings per year. So if I spend many hours checking National Grid’s rates, and call Ambit to complain about my bill, hopefully I will save $4.32 per year. Do the reps explain this super savings to the customers (relatives) they try to sell to? BTW National Grid charged me 5.5 cents/KWH on the last bill.

Glen: You didn’t get ANYTHING free.

And I do get free travel. You need to look into what Ambit offers before throwing assumptions at things.

Actually that was free too! I held a couple neighborhood get togethers to introduce Ambit’s service to my community.

Oh wait, I did have to buy food for my guests. Does that count?

WOW!

You think I didn’t research Ambit before I switched to their service?

I’ve never known of a cult that was licensed by the government. I’m not sticking up for the fact that this an MLM. I’m just sharing to people that they offer a great service for consumers. I’m speaking from a customer point of view and I’m proof that they are legit and are everything they claim to be as a company.

The fact that they are a debt free company that is partnered with the 3rd largest corporation in the world ensured me that is service is reliable and will be around for a very long time.

Two Words: GREAT SERVICE

It seems to me that the FIRST and MOST IMPORTANT question that a prospective consultant must ask before joining a MLM company is: Do I like and trust the product? If I don’t, there is no way I can convince others to try it.

I have been asking myself this question about Ambit because I have learned about the marketing opportunity in Illinois. I have not yet determined the answer.

Ambit has an A- rating from the BBB in Texas. They have had a fair number of complaints over the last 36 months, but almost all have been resolved to the satisfaction of the BBB. They have no complaints filed in New York or Illinois (they are not BBB-accredited there, but that does not prevent the BBB from accepting and listing complaints).

In Illinois, Ambit guarantees to save customers 1% on the cost of natural gas (not on the DELIVERY of it) compared to the Incumbent supplier (Nicor). The fine print indicates that this guarantee is for 12 months. I have seen no complaints that they have not kept this promise in Illinois.

In Illinois, the Citizens Utility Board’s analysis has shown that Ambit is the only alternative energy supplier to have saved money for its customers (70% saved, 30% did not save). None of the other suppliers in Illinois did anything but raise the cost of natural gas for its customers.

In Illinois, no Ambit customer has to sign a contract. They can switch to another supplier at any time by simply notifying the Incumbent supplier.

I trust the owners of the company about as much as I trust the owners of any company. That is, I trust that they are in business to make money. In this industry, the overwhelming source of income is customers, not marketing consultants.

I understand how MLM’s work. Ambit is a pyramid scheme. It is not a Ponzey fraud in which actual money flows from the bottom up.

The $429 cost of entry is extremely low when viewed as a “franchise fee.” With no inventory, delivery, or collections, it is probably among the safest, as well. Finally, no product is being sold; the prospective customers already purchase the product.

Ambit will return $400 to new consultants if they sign up the requisite number of customers (30) within the specified time period (12 weeks). This reduces the cost of entry (“franchise fee”) to $49 if you prove you can work hard and get results. Having to pay $25/month for sales tools seems to me to be entirely reasonable. Some MLMs provide no sales tools at all, and the cost to create them yourself is very high.

I have concluded that the opportunity is very real. I just have still to decide if Ambit is a product I trust enough to market. If it is not, I will not invest my time and money.

DO NOT try and make a career out of this. How about just doing this on the side? Keep your REAL job and introduce this opportunity to family, friends, acquaintances, etc. Don’t join a “cult”. Dont get caught up and make this your life. Ive done some research, and the only money you lose is the money to sign up, which you can easily make back if you do a little work. I make much more at my REAL job than i ever will with something like Ambit, but why not make a little extra to make a car payment or two. Everyone needs to take it easy and stop hating. ” I dont want to make friends for monetary reasons, i want to make friends to hug them.” get over yourself. If an individual lets a company run their life and ruin relationships with friends and family, trust me, they would find other ways to do so aside from pyramid schemes.

I would like to remind everyone that EVERY SINGLE JOB in the world is a pyramid. For those who are ignorant and believes that working as a cashier making well over 8 dollars an hour is a “real job”… well think again.

Every business has its pros and cons. No doubt about it. I don’t plan to bash anyone or any business because every business can make one person rich depending on the effort and energy being put into it. You can be a millionaire by selling potatoes.

But ask yourself this question. Look at the definition of pyramid and look at the job that you are in right now. Lets simply compare:

Pyramid = You have the top person (referred as an Upline in MLM business)

Then you have a group of middle income earners and finally the newcomers.

At this stage, we are looking at:

TOP EARNER
/ \
Middle income earners EQUALS TO PYRAMID!
/ \
Newcomers

NOW……… lets look at the so called “REAL JOB”

Lets say you work in a fortune 500 company.

BOARD OF DIRECTORS
/ \
CEO/President (ONE PERSON)
/ \
Vice President (ONE PERSON) EQUALS PYRAMID!!!
/ \
General Managers (VERY FEW)
/ \
Managers (FEW)
/ \
Employees (95% of the workforce)

I hope you see what i am trying to say. Every job has a pyramid, it depends on how you view it. Everyone will have their own perception and I will probably have many people criticizing me and calling me an idiot. But open up your mind and smell the coffee. This is life. We are living in it. It is not just MLM.

Some will say in MLM, the newcomers are only feeding the top guys. But you know what? you’re feeding your employer. It’s the same concept!

A person will succeed in ANY BUSINESS as long as they give it all their best and put their effort into it. It doesnt matter if it’s MLM, retail, wholesale, real estate, insurance, selling potatoes and whatnot, Anyone will do very well if they work hard!

I went to a meeting the other day and it was going to cost us $495.00 to join? I thought it was $399.00… why is it different?

Juan,

You have no idea what you are talking about. Ive read all your posts and you have zero intelligence about the company.

Move on

Why do the majority of MLMs seem to start in Texas? Why are texans so stupid?

Well said GOSTeen…well said!

God is watching you Leader. This site doesn’t erase entries because they don’t agree with them. Quit spreading lies….

I recently answered the accusation alleging that Ambit was a “Scam”. Before I joined Ambit Energy, I also read all of the so called “Scam” accusations made against Ambit. I know that many are jealous of the success of Ambit. Ambit’s competitors probably do not like the fact that Ambit (because of its benefits and savings) is reaping up their customer base.

Basically all that I can say to the “Scam” allegations is as follows:

• Scams do not get an A –Rating from the Better Business Bureau
• Scams do not sign long term agreements with companies like Coral Energy (a subsidiary of Shell Energy Trading – the third largest company in the world and second most profitable)
• Scams do not gain favorable blogs from people like Donald Trump
• Scams do not pay out their consultants like Ambit pays theirs.
• Scams are not started by reputable people like Jere Thompson grandson of the man who started the Southland Corporation who gave the world the 35 thousand 7-eleven stores scattered everywhere.
• Scams eventually will fold (but because Ambit Energy is an honest and ethical business it will be the fastest growing company in U.S. History).
• Scams do not hire fortune 500 employees to build their company. [Note: The former Vice Chairman, President and COO of TXU, David W. Biegler, has joined the company as an investor and advisor to the executive management team. –
• Scams do not seek membership in the DSA (Direct Selling Association)
• Scams do not honor their agreements (In the 10 months that I have been working with Ambit, they have delivered everything promised)

Some people ignorantly view Ambit Energy as a “Pyramid Scheme” To this I add:

Ambit Energy is Not a Pyramid Scheme:

1) Ambit provides Electricity and Gas
(Pyramid Schemes provide no goods or services)
2) Pyramid Schemes are Illegal.
(The Leaders of Ambit have a stated commitment to business excellence; Ambit has a partnership with a major energy supplier who would not partner with an illegal company)
3) Ambit provides the opportunity for those in the downline to surpass those in the up-line
(This would not be so in a true pyramid scheme)
The matrix moves horizontally based on effort and work accomplished by the consultants. It does not just grow downward as pyramid schemes do.
4) In a Pyramid Scheme, the “Chiefs” outnumber the “Indians”
Ambit has a customer referral program, allowing the customers to sign up customers.
5) Ambit is listed in the Better Business Bureau
6) There is a difference between a Pyramid Structure and a Pyramid Scheme
(Most companies in the world have a structure whereby the people at the top make money off of the work accomplished by the people underneath; Like it or not, this is business)

Well Vincent: Your “product” is information. The information is free on this site. If you look in the upper left hand corner and apply that info, you can see who is giving the public the best deal on electric service.
Is information that is available for free a product? I think NOT.

To Steve g- Texans rock and roll and know how to work hard for what we want to achieve! Don’t be hatin’ Texas because close minded m*r*ns like you don’t last long here!!!!! You would never succeed in our wonderful state so don’t even go there!!! You’re probably some 12 year old game wizard or hacker that looks for the internet for companionship!!! Get a life!!!

These arguments fascinate me to no end.

RE:Texas. I live in Texas myself, and have consistently wondered the same thing. It seems that is some cheesy ass MLM or other scam has been hatched– it crawled out of Texas like a rat.

It’s especially interesting seeing all these arguments frozen in time like the DNA from dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. Going back over a year and a half, its amazing.

Notice the cynics have remained constant, while the proponents have come and gone(only to remain constant in their rhetoric)?

What happened to the guy who had 60 reps and 124 customers? Has he doubled his business every month since(that would give him approximately 983,040 reps and 2,031,616 customers!) Or did he jump ship to the next MLM when he ran into the brick wall everyone tried to warn him about?

Or how about this?

‘thewhitnet
May 14th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

Do you all honestly think that Shell Oil( the 3rd largest company in the world) would partner with Ambit Energy if it were a pyramid or a scam????… Educate yourself people!! Ambit is first class….’

Noticed ‘Shell Oil’ slipped into the much more amorphous ‘major oil company’ later down the line? Could it be because they got busted by Shell for lying about it?

How many lies do the cretins in an MLM need to tell before their fanboys wake up? How many times can they be busted for lying about partnerships that never were, or patents that never existed?

Oh well. I guess I am just a lazy loser with a GED and no BMW to prove how big my wallet(or dick) is.

It’s sad to witness people so shallow.

I don’t think it could be explained better than this….
In the words of Bernie Madoff “The Feds were asleep so I stole”.

They are just trying to reap what they have sowed. They have sowed a garden that cannot produce. They are only making money for those at the top. They buy into a cult like trance. Go to a meeting. It’s like a Jim Jones Revival gone awry…..

Pyramidsarescams- you spend your time unwisely continuing to follow this forum. I could only imagine you to be a sad soul Maybe a little bit of inspiration will open your eyes . Fairwell my friend

Anyone and everyone in an Ambit service area should consider being a customer. The savings are significant and the free incentives are world class. No other energy company compares to Ambit. (I’ve tried Champion, Ignite, and TXU). Ambit is the energy of the future.

Ambit is a good Texas electric company just as Affordable Energy is. We sell Affordable Energy because they pay an upfront 3 mils per customer that signs up which is a traditional sales commission in the industry and a way to market their service without having to participate in building an MLM downline. Our objection is with the hyped up promises by those in MLM whether it be Ambit or Affordable who promise you will make millions by showing you a commission chart as an example that gives a false impression of the likleyhood of how your MLM business will turn out. Ambit offers an affiliate program as well that pays out around the same amount without having to build a downline. We encourage those considering an MLM to work on signing up customers rather than recruiting associates. Statistically the MLM system will break down over time. The affiliate option through Ambit or Affordable is a
much better choice than waisting time on building a downline in my opinion.

Money does not change hands until customers are brought in. Therefore, you don’t just make money for signing people up. They HAVE to bring in customers before that money is paid.

Ambit has created 5 millionaires and hundreds are making 6 figure residual income. You haters on the outside have no idea what you are talking about. You do no have adequate information to make assumptions about this business. The only factual information on this thread is coming from actual consultants and customers of Ambit.

If you are someone who has been introduced to Ambit and came across this thread when researching this opportunity, use common sense and get opinions from people who are actually in the business as opposed to the negative low-lifes on the outside stating their worthless opinions. Do not let this thread effective your decision. The decision should be yours and yours only when deciding to pursue this business. Even if you decide not to, make sure it is your very own decision.

I can tell you this: there is not a more lucrative business opportunity.

How about this Admin: Since you came up with the idea, why don’t you get that paper and post it on here. I think you’d be surprised.

The Federal Trade Commission, many states laws as well as Ambit’s policies have regulations about personal income claims when involved in a network marketing company. Therefore, any Ambit consultant can lose his/her business by providing such information of themselves. Now, if the company itself can provide current consultant earnings to the public as you are stating, then yes please do post it on here.

I could care less about your offer. I’m not here to recruit people to Ambit whatsoever. The posts on this thread are very misleading with false information about the business by outsiders. I don’t want people coming to this thread and making a decision about Ambit based on opinionated posts from outsiders who have no clue about this business.

I cannot guarantee or promise anything, but I will do my best to see if I can find this information.

I appreciate your kind responses.

One thing you should really consider is changing the heading of this thread, just for the publics sake. You own the front page of Google with a misleading heading to lure people to this thread in hopes of joining Affordable Energy through your affiliate link. Ambit nor Affordable are scams, so please remove “scam” from this heading.

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I am with an energy company that sells deregulated electricity, natural gas and an electricity saving device that is installed by an electrician onto the electrical panel. It is not MLM – I do not need to bring in others to make money or keep my distributorship. It did not cost me $400 up front to be a commissioned sales rep, it costs me $20 for my website. I’ve just started a few days ago and already have 2 sales people on my team. If you are intersted in selling deregulated energy there are alternatives to Ambit and the MLM model out there if you know where to look. BTW, you can make some serious cash with this business, but you have to work.

“498ListenIdiots
August 17th, 2009 at 1:11 am
Richard Pamplin is a well known snake-oil salesman. He sells you a promise and a dream. His other MLM scheme (Networth USA) failed, and now he is on to this crap. He uses the same recruitment techniques and preys on the same type of people.

Most who claim to make money with Pamplin are either flat out lying or exaggerating. Yes, im sure someone, somewhere has made money with him, but its not as much and not as easy as they say. Its an industry of half-truths and well crafted and very skilled presentations.

“The life blood of this business is new blood.” -Richard Pamplin

Get it? Money comes from new recruits. The business only works if new people are joining. Its a fucking virus. Wake up.”

Well siad “ListenIdiots” well said!!!!

How can Ambit be legal it does not sell anything and only thing it does is recruit people to do the same?

My simple question is how over time can the company be right in its business if is relying on an ever changing price for natural gas.
There was a hedge fund that made billions a few years ago then went bankrupt overnight whe ntheir naat gas position turned against them.
This too requires futures trading to purchase their product which in the end should blow their advantage.
Explain wht I’m wrong.

And robert, alot is properly spelled as a lot, two words. I found your poor grammer humurous. Unless you were trying to spell alott, which is the closest single word in the english language to your mistake. Though after review of the words previous and after, it would seem it is a grammatical error, not a spelling one. Although I do fail to see what spelling and grammar have to do with the validity of an electric company, especially one whose past president made many of those.

^ oh my, a typo. I meant to say especially one in a country whose past president made many of those, ie George Bush. Do not take this the wrong way, I support Bush.

I just checked the BBB rating for Ambit. It is no longer A-. Now it is B.

I have been approached to participate in Ambit, but plan to decline for reasons of my own and not really worth going into. Ambit, all in all, would not suit my lifestyle. Just because it seems simple, easy and generates enthusiasm in others does not mean it has appeal to me. I quietly choose to say thanks, but no.

This has been a GREAT page to read! Thank you to the host, Admin, and thank you to everyone for posting.

Addendum: a musing thought to share. I am recovering from a biological pyramid scheme called a cold. I defined it as being assimilated by the Borg. That fits a Pyramid definition, right?

Peace (as much as possible)! Out.

BEWARE EVERYBODY! I am a senior consultant in Ambit. Trust me you don’t make money in it. All the executives in Ambit are lying to you they violate company policy to make money and they do it to “help” you. Chances are the company will “clean” the acts of the top executives by terminating you. They ALLWAYS punish the victim of the perpetrators. They need the top guys to make money. I know this first hand as well as speaking and hearing from many top executives of Ambit. The whole company is disguised as a legal,honest company, when in truth it’s a corrupt company. I could go on and on… bottom line DON’T FALL INTO THE AMBIT TRAP LIKE I AND MANY OTHERS DID!!!

Here is a message I originally posted in January of 2008. Talk about predictions coming true…..

Unlike the deregulation of the Telecom industry, Gas and Electricity are being deregulated one state at a time. If you go to one of their meetings, find the person that they’re touting as the person in the room making the ‘big money’. Pull them aside so as not to embarrass them. Ask them how much of their ‘Big Money’ is actually earned from the sale of either the gas or electricity. If you can even get them to answer the question, you may be surprised at how little it is. Most of their money is from the sponsoring of new people into the business. Although this practice of paying in this manner is routinely done by many companies in the network marketing industry, it is not producing a stable, residual income and is frowned upon by the professionals in the industry who earn money solely through product sales. Networking a utility has never been a way to build a long term stable income. Excel is gone. Destiny Telecom phone cards is gone. NCN Communications is gone. Many others like them are gone. You are offering one product and one product only. Therefore you cannot increase your share of customer by having more products to offer. Eventually you will run out of customers and with nothing else to offer them, your income, if any, will become stagnant. Find a company that offers a diverse product line with unique and consumable products. Utilities, although consumable, are not unique. There are now, and will be more choices to purchase utilities from in the future. If you put your time into a company with exclusivity on its multiple product lines, you will have a long term, residual income for life. How many times do you want to keep jumping from company to company only to do the same in a year or two. Time will prove me correct that networking Gas and Electricity will not produce an income of any substantial amount nor duration.

I have read the majority of these posts, I have participated in many MLM type businesses and have nothing to show for it…including Quixtar, Amway, “TEAM” Monavie, and more…from what i have read this Ambit Group sounds like the type of business that can really benefit those who are not committing their carreers to Ambit. My concern is as follows:
Will I make back my $400+ that I spend to be a consultant before the company changes or goes away?
Will My energy bill really get paid for?
What happens when someone I sign up has an issue with their electric bill? do I have to get involved at all?
I don’t really care if MLM’s are the spawn of the devil, which they aren’t, what concerns me is the people I sign up don’t get screwed by switching their service and I can be confident selling my neighbors and their families?

To IfUcanSleepDoIt and Everyone else

As far as proof get off your lazy butt and do some actual research. As far as making money off of other peoples backs it works a hell of alot better then working for a company for 35 years and being tossed aside because you make to much an hour and they want to hire somebody for less wages. I’ve invested money in the stock market and IRA and I’ve lost it. It’s hard to beat working for a company that actually appreciates your hard work and effort. I’ve been working for all these years only for a crappy $170 a month for retirerment and socail security that may not be there in 2 or 3 years. Makeing retirement only a dream. I’m getting up in years and my body is broken up from my job. My experiance and loyalty means nothing. Thats the real scam. You work for so many years planning on a retirement that you can live on only to find it’s not there. I’m sick of people slamming what may be the only retirement I get and wanting me to provide proof because they don’t want to get off of thier lazy butt and do some actual research. They want me to provide research that they don’t want to get off their lazy butt and do for themselves. When I won’t provide it they slam it. If you don’t know what is going on keep your comments to yourself. Stop trying to get your research off my hard work. Have you even seen the plan or are you just one of those 9 out of 10 people that form an opinion without knowing any facts. I don’t slam your job and try and take the food off of your table. My family comes first and I don’t need you. An attack on me and my business is an attack on my family. Anyone that tries to take it away or slam it i have to saying something. If Ambit was not legit it wouldn’t have lasted 4 years in NY state. IfUcanSleepDoIt.

Ambit has created 5 millionaires and hundreds are making 6 figure residual income. All you people who are calling it a scam don’t know what you are talking about. You do not have accurate information to make assumptions about this business. The only factual information on this form is coming from actual consultants and customers that are working for Ambit.

I became a customer of Ambit as a favor to a friend that got into this company (can’t for the life of me figure out why). I’ve been there for 2 billing cycles and both months they tried to double charge me. They tell me that the BANK refused payment because the address was wrong, it was not their fault. last month I walked into the bank to check this because it didn’t make sense. ALL other bills I pay go through just fine. The bank showed me on the computer screen the address they had. Today I am paying bills again … ALL my bills go through without a problem until I call AMBIT. Same dance as last month, the rep wants to argue with me that it is my banks fault. I told him it was fruitless to argue because I know it’s not. He wants to argue anyway. I call back and ask for a Supv, they won’t let me speak to one. I was also informed that I have a shut-off date for next week if I don’t get my bill paid. They have the full amount of my bill “pending” at my bank though. I HATE THIS COMPANY!!! Thank God I’m only stuck with this mess for 4 more months. Save yourself the headache, RUN FROM THEM!!!!!!!!! I put this on my Facebook and I’ll post it every where I can to warn people.

To Skeptic Sam on square 29. Your comment was from January 2008. It is now August 2010. You said to remember most of the pie is already gone. Let’s see: 26 states deregulated, we are in 3 states, 2% market share in those 3 states, ready to go into several more soon, I’m thinking the pie hasn’t even been baked yet.